Thread: Another point of view

Meanwhile, while guys are taking turns trashing my teaching efforts on this forum mreteuya posted this on my public forum today. This is why I love to teach. beatthecasino.com

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mreteuya
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I love this place!!! [beatthecasino.com]

I've been a full member since late 2008, so I think I just made my 1 year anniversary. Let me tell you, its been one hell of a ride.

If you are new to this site, or have been on here awhile and still contemplating becoming a full member, here is what my expereince has been.

It’s like having a secret, that everyone wants to know... I can't tell you how many times, I've been offered a dinner at the casino by other players to tell them what I'm doing. Its also fun to watch other players (out of spite it seems), to bet against you, only to lose.

If you read Ellis’s post “Which Table, What System”, it’s a real eye opener. That thread alone should show you that he knows what he is talking about and the education you get here is profitable 100 times over.

Or check out MVSeahog, Papa Joe, Wolfat's, Zebra or TOmm's posts. These guys are unbelievable and soooo helpful to other full members.

I am the worst student. A slow learner that rushed into action, and stubborn as hell. Yet despite all that, Ellis and gang were able to turn me into a winner.

Its true that 99% of the people lose at baccarat and only 1% of them win. It’s a great feeling being in the 1%.

There are 3 myths that new members to this free site seem to believe. Here are the myths:

1. That there is one magical system that beats every shoe.
2. You will learn everything from this free site.
3. You have to bet big, to win big.

Here is the good news!

First, there is no such thing as “one holy grail system”, and I don’t believe Ellis has ever said he has that one magical system.

However, every shoe can be beaten with the right system, and this is the only place where you will learn how to do it, Period.

Second, the free site is simply the best place where you can actually see that this is the real deal, and this is the only place you can get honest education.

Third, you absolutely do not have to bet big to win big. I play for a living full time now, and my base bets are only $25.


The first thing I learned here is that:

There are only 2 things you need to learn to make money, and this is the only place that you can learn how to master both of them. Here they are.

1. Bet placement. Where to place your bet.
2. Bet progression. How much to bet, and when.

The free stuff you learned is merely to wet your appetite, so to speak. A little appetizer to get you ready for the main course.

For example, what if you could learn a system that beats almost everything that a baccarat player has ever seen?

It would beat those long straight runs, short straight runs, Zig Zag or ZZ patterns. It beats the TT’s or terrible 2 patterns. (2 Player, 2 Banker, etc) It beats the 1212 pattern, just about everything.

(By the way, if you don’t know these terms, that’s a good sign you’re in the right place to learn what you need to know before you let the casinos take your money.)

If you were to learn a system would beat all those things, do you think you could make any money?

Well, its right there for your taking as a full member and there are at least 5 full-time players as well as Ellis who are ready to pour their knowledge into you.

Then, what if there was someone to teach you how to look at the toteboard, or score card, and tell you exactly what system to play?

Or better yet, how to look for a winning table?

Or how about, the 3 most common reasons people lose in baccarat?

Learn the 4 things you absolutely MUST have to win at baccarat and quit your job!

(If you don't have these 4 things, you might as well not play at all. Go shopping instead. At least you'll get something for your money.)

Its all right here. Everything you need to know to become a member of the 1% winners club.

After you join, shoot me a message. I’d love to be the first to welcome you to the “Beat The Casino” family and help you in anyway I can.

mreteuya

Old Timer Stuff:

There used to be a standard Baccarat shuffle back before Mini Bac - mid 80s'.

They didn't use new cards every shoe in Big Bac back then when I started. They changed cards once a day like BJ. Of course the players weren't ripping the cards like they do now in Big Bac.

They started by taking the burn cards and fanning them through the shoe still in the discard rack. Then they cut in half and went through two rifles in ten picks. Each pick was cut in half forming two new piles. Then they repeated the process and they were ready for a player to cut. If you saw this procedure you'd swear on a bible that those cards would be random - but they weren't. The first game I ever played had a 20 in a row in it.

They only used $20 Baccarat chips back then. Now remember inflation- they were like $200 chips today! The 2nd shoe I ever played had a 26 in a row ZZ run. I learned real quick about runs knowing full well that ALL odds were totally against the hands I was seeing with my own eyes right in front of me.

These runs continued even AFTER they went to new cards every shoe. They shuffled the new cards the exact same way except they replaced the fan with a full table wash. They even made us take our chips off the table to give the wash more room.

The pit boss would time the wash with a stop watch. But I soon noted that the wash was always either a full minute or only a half minute. EVERY casino did this??? It didn't take me long putting 2 and 2 together to realize there had to be some reason for these two different precise timings. So I began noting the outcomes. BTW, I was always the only one at the table. Everybody always went to the john or the bar or wherever. It didn't take long to figure it out. 30 seconds = Streaky. 60 seconds = choppy. I seldom lost after that. I had far more players back then - 3400. I taught them ALL how to time the wash. But when I stupidly brought my own stop watch, they barred me.

But at that time the casino's retention of the drop (profits) was only 3 %. BJ was at 6%. Today BJ is 15% and Bac is about 25%.

I was a full time AC BJ player then and I knew full well that the casino manipulated the BJ game with 8 different shuffle techniques. So did MANY other players. I was also an Editor of BJ Confidential Magazine back then so I posted an article about what kind of game each standard shuffle produced. I also posted an article about how they clump the cards in BJ which is still today the most famous BJ article ever written.

But casinos aren't stupid. They were getting killed with up as you win Fibonacis on Bac runs. I even did this myself a few times. A 20 in a row got you $40,000. They get you even more today with the higher table maxes. Then it was only $6000. But alas, there are no 20 in a rows today. The casinos figured if we can totally manipulate 8 deck BJ with 8 different shuffles why can't we do the same in Bac??? There went the standard Bac shuffle and there went the 20 in a rows never to be seen again.

That's how it was, heading West.

Same old (boring) fantasies; same lack of proof of anything.

Sure, go throw your money at Ellis... he'll make you a "legend in your own time". LOL.

Everyone else is a liar/scammer/novice/idiot/internet guy/etc but him. LOL.

But don't expect him to re-imburse anyone anything, let alone for the "fun years" to be wasted at his cult-forum even if you can bear the real losses that long.

Or me, for your not taking an hour or so to just read all the real, and proved, information about him on this very board.

Just gets easier and easier for the rest of us, while harder and harder for old sillE on LS-D(avis) to get even one more "membership" from the stooges.

Originally Posted by garnabby

Same old (boring) fantasies; same lack of proof of anything.

Sure, go throw your money at Ellis... he'll make you a "legend in your own time". LOL.

Everyone else is a liar/scammer/novice/idiot/internet guy/etc but him. LOL.

But don't expect him to re-imburse anyone anything, let alone for the "fun years" to be wasted at his cult-forum even if you can bear the real losses that long.

Or me, for your not taking an hour or so to just read all the real, and proved, information about him on this very board.

Just gets easier and easier for the rest of us, while harder and harder for old sillE on LS-D(avis) to get even one more "membership" from the stooges.

See how they wash and shuffle the cards on DB is the same every time surely Ellis can beat that not

All this is very sad actually. It's one thing to have a belief system and quite another to have a conflict of interest. Anyone can come here with ideas of how to win or not and give people the opportunity to sample and test methods. That is what this site is all about. If Ellis wants to post play methods here that is fine. If he believes in and wants to teach table selection that is fine.

But for Ellis to come in here to collect money is reprehensible. It is analogous to him setting up a for profit soup kitchen!

He has ruined this site. Sure, some here have attacked him personally out of frustration but most comments are directed at his play methods and his refusal to substantiate his claims in any way. Yet, on the other hand, Ellis has slandered, fabricated and insulted those who question is logic in the most insidious and reprehensible of ways.

Perhaps this site should have a classified advertisement section. Ellis could pay Mike for an advertisement and post in a separate section. After all, he is using this site as free advertisement.

I, for one, will not post here much anymore until something can be done to prevent profiteering.

Archer

i want to ask anyone here can dragon bonus can be win by counting cards.

Wrong thread to ask in john201

Originally Posted by john201

i want to ask anyone here can dragon bonus can be win by counting cards.

John, I have studied card counting in Baccarat ad nauseam for P vs B, ties and dragon bonus. You are barking up the wrong tree. Don't waste your time.

Oh how the worm turns. I was fair game when you guys raided my forum. Then you invite me here to make fun of me. It didn't work out that way.

People mistakingly come here to learn how to win. That is what the name "Baccarat Forums.com" implies. But you can't answer their questions and often make fun of them instead. I've posted more here on their behalf than all of you put together. And that is pitifully little.

When anybody posts any semblance of a system you guys gang up on him for his efforts. When a programmar tries to enlighten you about on line casinos, you mock him.

I'm not stealing your members. You are driving them away. Even if I had never posted here members would not stay. You guys are completely off subject from what they came here for. But I guess its easier to blame me than put the blame squarly where it belongs.

People would rather pay me to hear about Baccarat than stay here and listen to a bunch of children arguing for free. That is not my fault, it's yours.

Cult? I can't make a cult out of 4000 people. A cult is a small group of people with a strange belief like the handfull here who believe casino's can't be beat. The subject is supposed to be another point of view. Here's one:
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL


It has been a great year for me. For the first time in my life I can walk into a casino and KNOW that I am going to win. Thanks to Ellis, PJ, Bill, John, Andrea and all the posters who helped make this possible. To those I have not met and played with, I hope we can do that soon. I wish all of you and your families the best of the holiday season and a happy and profitable new year.

Paul

merry christmas to all