50-50 game

[Profbac]

There is something different about these Ellis posts.
I used to like reading the old Ellis. I knew he had something to sell,
but his ideas were interesting and he is obviously very experienced.

These threads are just hard sell with a dose of testosterone.

BTW, the people who won the tournament never mentioned an affiliation with Ellis.
Now he tells us they were his students.

Come on, this is bullshit.

My gut instinct is that someone else is posting these threads,

[soxfan]

Wow, ellis is back and more looney than ever. Now we hear tell that garnabby jones is sellin of organs and on another thread some cat is askin how he pull down profit with a SIX units bankroll! The entertainment value of this forum is top notch I must say. Yup, time for yet another pint and some more popcorn, hey hey.

[mattman]

Bingo, Prof.

"S40 is the best thing posted on this forum and always will be as long as they keep guys like you around."

Uh huh. STD-40 isn't any better than anything else here, just another system of yours. One of many. All losers. Old news.

Even if his methods failed, I wouldn't trade one Eirescott for a hundred scammer's like this guy, even if he is a veteran.

[Egalite]

BTW, the people who won the tournament never mentioned an affiliation with Ellis.
Now he tells us they were his students.

If my memory serves me correct, AndraBac did well, who is one of his devotees.

[confusedgambler]

I just think he's desperate for new blood over at his paid shill forum. He's just wasn't expecting the resistance he got here this time when he started in on his sales pitch.

[Ellis]

I never said you own the forum and I never said you ran any tournament. You made that up. Your forum means the forum you are on and your tournament means the tournament of the forum you are on. If I said your country I'm not inferring you own the country. I think all readers here understand that and I'm sure you do too. You can't say anything intelligent about Baccarat because you don't know anything about Baccarat. So you make juvenile attempts to argue about grammar. But this isn't a grammar forum. It's supposed to be a Baccarat forum but nobody would know that listening to all your crap.

I'm not bitter about anything. I've had a very happy and full life. I'm appreciated by everyone on my forum and many who are not. My hobby is teaching BJ and Baccarat. I've posted lots of important Baccarat stuff on this forum for free. If that somehow pisses you off, that's your hangup, not mine. I couldn't care less. You make up these long dissertations about me while knowing absolutely nothing about me. To me, that makes you a childish idiot not worth my time. Have a good life. Try to grow up some.

BTW, I see all your "friends" have deserted you. Don't surprise me none. You are not exactly a class act.

[fauzy]

There is something different about these Ellis posts.
I used to like reading the old Ellis. I knew he had something to sell,
but his ideas were interesting and he is obviously very experienced.

These threads are just hard sell with a dose of testosterone.

BTW, the people who won the tournament never mentioned an affiliation with Ellis.
Now he tells us they were his students.

Come on, this is bullshit.

My gut instinct is that someone else is posting these threads,

Students?
Lol

[confusedgambler]

So you make juvenile attempts to argue about grammar. But this isn't a grammar forum.

So says the man who called me an "idiot" for getting "your" and "you're" wrong. LOL Now who's the idiot?

It's supposed to be a Baccarat forum but nobody would know that listening to all your crap.

Your sales pitch is a bunch of crap. We sniffed you out right away. Good job guys!

BTW, I see all your "friends" have deserted you. Don't surprise me none. You are not exactly a class act.

Ah really? I don't see anybody deserting me, I see more people posting about how tired they are of your sales pitch. Also very classy of you to call the people of this forum "shit heads" and "idiots". That was perfect, thank you Ellis!

[ADulay]

Just to clarify a few things....

That recent tournament thing that one of the members started here did wind up with two of BTC's members winning. Obviously they wouldn't blurt out that they were members of Ellis' forum as that would have caused all kinds of things like we're seeing in this particular thread!

Perhaps "confusedgambler" hasn't been here long enough to remember that recent tournament but for some reason he appears to have every detail of Ellis' life down to a science. I find that a bit odd.

I'm still amazed that after all these months and years that the mere posting of a single message by Ellis brings out all the stored up venom on the forum from all the "regulars", so to speak. Very odd behaviour for people who should have much better control of their emotions.

As to "driving members to his site from here", well I'm privy to the numbers and yes, he gets a lot of people from this particular site.

Oh well, back to playing baccarat for real.

AD (flak jacket on and a spare magazine in a pocket)

[pitty1]

Welcome back Ellis,

You have taken the time and effort to return Ellis, hopefully it is not solely seeking raw meat for BTC, let's talk Baccarat.

Now that the welcome committee toned down a bit.. elsi..can u share if Nor is complete? and how does it differ from all the others of ur contrived systems based on OTB4L/TB4L/ADOT/SYS40/OCR/SAP/Disparities/RDH/Fseries/Streak-Antistreak/U1D2/Educated guessing ect.ect(and dare i say MAVERICK)..please note some of ur harsh critics may have come from ur own paid forum..thanks.

[LOTI]

i just do not see the point of paying anyone like Ellis any amount of money to teach you strategies that will do NO BETTER than simply flat betting banker at the same betting opportunity.

[TSetAim]

i just do not see the point of paying anyone like Ellis any amount of money to teach you strategies that will do NO BETTER than simply flat betting banker at the same betting opportunity.

Then may we infer from your post that you are doing reasonably well (showing a profit to date) flat betting banker at some specific "betting opportunity"?

Can you expound on what the betting opportunity might be?

.

[LOTI]

Then may we infer from your post that you are doing reasonably well (showing a profit to date) flat betting banker at some specific "betting opportunity"?

Can you expound on what the betting opportunity might be?

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I meant that using any one system from Ellis, if a bet is called for and instead you just bet banker, you would lose less in the long run.

[confusedgambler]

Perhaps "confusedgambler" hasn't been here long enough to remember that recent tournament but for some reason he appears to have every detail of Ellis' life down to a science. I find that a bit odd.

Just to clarify I few things for shill boy,
Who said I don't remember the tournament that was held here? Quit putting words in my mouth. I never said that.

Also I have every detail of Ellis's life down to a science? Really. Maybe you could be a little less dramatic and exaggerate a little less. I knew by looking at his profile when the old man was born, so I knew how old he was. Anybody could see by this guys behavior how grumpy and bitter he was, so I made a comparison to a character in a recent favorite movie of mine and I guess I wasn't too far off.

So stop it with your veiled accusations and conspiracy theories about who I am. I am a honest person who would NEVER lower myself to charge anybody for "gambling lessons" or for a gambling system. Only the parasites/com men of this world feel comfortable enough in their own skin to be able to do that to another human being.

[SirEel]

Hi All,

I'm new on the forum, but I doubt I'll stay long. Post's like the one above from confusedgambler are not what I visit the site for.

I know who Ellis is (I am NOT a member of his forum) and the fact that he sells systems doesn't bother me. I don't care what posters sell. If you can post about gambling fine. Leave the personal shit out of it.

[confusedgambler]

Hi All,

I'm new on the forum, but I doubt I'll stay long. Post's like the one above from confusedgambler are not what I visit the site for.

I know who Ellis is (I am NOT a member of his forum) and the fact that he sells systems doesn't bother me. I don't care what posters sell. If you can post about gambling fine. Leave the personal shit out of it.

Jeez. Now we have two bitter old men. LOL Anybody see "Grumpy Old Men"? The question now is which one is Jack Lemmon, and which one is Walter Matthau? Grrr Get off my lawn!

[SirEel]

You need to grow up, confused.

[confusedgambler]

You need to grow up, confused.

That's it, you're now Walter Matthau.

[ADulay]

Gentlemen, (and I use the term very loosely),

It should be patently obvious to anyone reading this that if we had a forum here, composed of actual players instead of ego driven children and hopeless dreamers, that the various threads would eventually drift into deceptively boring discussions actually centering on baccarat instead of this incessant name calling and bickering. Doesn't this ever get old for any of you?

I believe it was Archer who started this thread with good intentions and a serious question but they always get hijacked along the way due to some personal problems others may have. How about just talking about baccarat for a change?

Ooops, my bad. I've mistaken this forum for that other one over at BTC, where they actually discuss BACCARAT in the adult room!!

What a concept!

AD

[mattman]

Ooops, my bad. I've mistaken this forum for that other one over at BTC, where they actually discuss BACCARAT in the adult room!!

What a concept!

AD

Andy, if you don't like where the threads here are going, then stay at BTC- problem solved. Same goes for E. Miffin Blueberry- nobody is forcing you to look at these threads, so feel free to depart if you find it too inconvenient or 'defensive'. You are right about one thing, though- the thread is so far off at this point, it should be locked.

[SirEel]

I assume that you are a moderator, mattman. So I will take your advice and go where there is some useful discussion.

[ADulay]

Andy, if you don't like where the threads here are going, then stay at BTC- problem solved. .... nobody is forcing you to look at these threads, so feel free to depart if you find it too inconvenient or 'defensive'. You are right about one thing, though- the thread is so far off at this point, it should be locked.

Matt,

You know, that's a very good idea.

Thanks.

AD

[mattman]

I assume that you are a moderator, mattman. So I will take your advice and go where there is some useful discussion.

No, I am not.

But it just seems a common-sense approach to just lock the thread- some guys (including yourself and AD) don't really find much of interest here, and seem to
prefer BTC/Ellis instead. This is fine- this is, after all, why there are separate forums.

[LOTI]

I can never understand these clowns who defend snake oil salesmen like Ellis. They even get offended! Imagine that!

But then I suppose people still pay good money to get a reading from charlatans like Sylvia Browne and miracle spring water from Peter Popoff. The whole situation would be comical if it wasn't so sickening.

[SirEel]

Where did I defend Ellis?

The fact that I criticize childish posts, that are wasting my time, does not make me an Ellis fan.

[confusedgambler]

Where did I defend Ellis?

The fact that I criticize childish posts, that are wasting my time, does not make me an Ellis fan.

Walter you said you were leaving this thread. Grumpy old man. lol

[fauzy]

if you call 50-50 game so what is un bal,matching -un matching system .... for. B- 50progressing 1u,B50p50 2,4,816,32,64,128.350,750,1500 ,3000 P -50 this last step3000u is also 50-50what is a set un-bal/is it really a set.or no, never have a set,it mean never having H.G.