50-50 game

[ADulay]

Forget it and have a happy new year.

You know, I'd love to leave this place but it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Very entertaining if not anything.

The theory here is very great, it's just the execution of the product that's flawed. Hopefully the 30 people who read this stuff every day can see through the misinformation, lies, fabrication, mystical mojo and take each message for what it is worth.

Me? I'm happy to be doing what I want on my own schedule.

Life is good, even with that junker Corvette! (Sorry, Garn, just had to add that)

AD

[Ellis]

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[Ellis]

Garnabby Quotes:

"So now, where's the "beef"... or are you trying to steal also my stuff?"

"You're nobody until you have done something real."

What "stuff" Garnabby? What have you done that's "real"? Quote your own meaningless posts?

You have no credentials, no books, no manuals, no shoes, no systems, no approaches, no strategies, no trip reports, no advice, no betting concepts. What is it we are supposed to have stolen? You have absolutely nothing worth stealing. All you have is name calling and put downs. You are a total embarrassment to every member on this forum. They are getting tired of apologizing for you.

Why don't you find a nice debating forum that will have you? That's what you do, right, wrong or indifferent. On a debating forum it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. A perfect environment for you.

This is a Baccarat forum You don't play and have zero experience. You know nothing about this game and have nothing to contribute. That is the single thing you have proven here conclusively.

[Ellis]

Ha John, actually I don't think I omitted the lack of experience thing but that's OK, it was worth repeating.

Actually he does have one bit of experience. He watched me and 4 of my guys play once. We won nearly every hand and paid for our whole Vegas trip in 15 minutes. So what was Garnabby's reaction? He said we played wrong.

Hey Garn, if you win, you're right.
If you lose, you're wrong.

That keeps life simple!

Only on your planet can you lose playing right or win playing wrong.

"I did everything right and lost." Now that is pure bull!

[Archer]

New Blackjack, Same Old Baloney: Review of E. Clifton Davis' NBJ and WCB Blackjack Systems From 1993.

It's difficult to pin down folks who rely on half truths, lies, and manipulations to support their agenda. The reason is simple. There is just enough truth to keep it going and they tell so many falsehoods or partial falsehoods and lay it on so heavy that it becomes hard to believe that anyone would have the BRASS to keep on shoveling.

"If it looks like a duck . . ." By your own words you have stopped selling systems for $1,000.00 to selling lowly subscriptions for $50.00. Is anybody home??

As weird as Garnabby's posts are sometimes he has accurately depicted you and your agenda.

Following just a FEW examples of Ellis malarkey, there are dozens:

OTBL wins half the decisions without doing anything. Not!

My friend Lyle "Stewart" ?? Dude - he is dead and how come you don't know how to spell his last name?

Eddie Olsen ?? Another "system seller." he was involved with Jerry Patterson and Target but you conveniently omitted that.

Card counting doesn't work.... yet you exhort it's efficacy on your own web site.

You ridiculed flat betting more than once at BTC but you have a good friend who wins 57% of hands and implied 10 units a shoe for many years.

13 Books??? What is your definition of a book? You said you took the Asian system book "off the shelves." LMAO What "shelves" were all these "books" on? I'll give you the AC Gambling Bookstore, LOL.

You don't sell systems you say. You have been selling systems for almost 20 years! Will you sell me the Twister "book?"

Okay, so now you have a different tactic. Offer (not sell) a bunch of, er. . .non-system systems that can be used with the proper table selection. So . . .you are now selling table selection. Good back door, Ellis. Can't be a bad system anymore - just bad table selection.

Let's not forget your best advice, "Don't play losing tables!"

Don't you have "over 400 unanswered emails" ????

You are such a POSER!

Quack! Quack!! Got to be said from time to time since new people come in here all the time.

Archer (Winning BJ and Baccarat Player for more than 20 years)

PS. Ellis, why do you keep coming to this site after saying you won't come here anymore? Don't you have enough people to help on your own site? You have 100's of subscribers don't you? AT $50.00 a head one would think that you would have your hands full over there. Hmmmm. Curious, ain't it?

Ha John, actually I don't think I omitted the lack of experience thing but that's OK, it was worth repeating.

Actually he does have one bit of experience. He watched me and 4 of my guys play once. We won nearly every hand and paid for our whole Vegas trip in 15 minutes. So what was Garnabby's reaction? He said we played wrong.

Hey Garn, if you win, you're right.
If you lose, you're wrong.

That keeps life simple!

Only on your planet can you lose playing right or win playing wrong.

"I did everything right and lost." Now that is pure bull!

[Ellis]

Talk about half truths Archer, you just listed a whole bunch of them. The rest of your statements are outright lies. And your entire tirade is not even worthy of further comment. I was wondering who was feeding Garnabby all his made up crap. Now I know. BTW, Eddie Olsen never sold a system in his life. And I've been teaching and practicing table selection for 20 years. You're just pissed because the members requested your removal from my site. I suspect everyone here can see exactly why. Your behavior hasn't improved a bit.

[neverdie14]

[quote=Ellis;17539]Exactly right ahario! Except Every Baccarat shoe ever dealt had a strongest trend in it. Every baccarat shoe ever dealt could have been beat by the RIGHT system. The trick is to know how to identify the strongest trend and know what variation of what system beats that trend.

Will you ALWAYS be right? No! But fortunately Baccarat, esp 2Hi Baccarat is not about ALWAYS. It's about USUALLY. My guys do this every trip and many players from this forum are already doing it. One of them just won his 19th shoe in a row. I think you will agree that is completely outside the envelop of random occurrence.

Oh, and BTW, for the more ridiculous among you who still think Andrea and I are the same person, here is a curious exchange:

12-29-2009, 09:16 AM wolfat
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Re: XMas 2009

And a Happy New Year to you and thanks for all your help and support!

Ellis,
I'm proud to be your friend and to collaborate with this forum, I've learned so much both in technical and human aspects!
Happy new year to you and family!

andrea
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Ellis, are you kidding?

Winning 19 shoes in a row is STILL within random occurrence. You can't seriously believe that if you win 19 shoes, you are some how now "above" the house.

Did you not read what I've been saying?

I've personally made THOUSANDS creating systems that win up to 30 shoes in a row...sometimes 50....and they ALWAYS....ALWAYS, loose or go 50-50 in the long run.

Short run success is NO guarantee of long run success....EVER.

Anyone who thinks so is a gambler. No offense Ellis, but you're not being realistic. And don't sit here and tell me you and your guys have been winning 19 shoes a day for 10 years......if so...you wouldn't be on this forum...period.

[Archer]

Talk about half truths Archer, you just listed a whole bunch of them. The rest of your statements are outright lies. And your entire tirade is not even worthy of further comment. I was wondering who was feeding Garnabby all his made up crap. Now I know. BTW, Eddie Olsen never sold a system in his life. And I've been teaching and practicing table selection for 20 years. You're just pissed because the members requested your removal from my site. I suspect everyone here can see exactly why. Your behavior hasn't improved a bit.

Are you getting a mite senile Ellis? I am beginning to believe that you are beginning to believe your own BS. http://cgi.ebay.com/Break-the-Dealer-:-Eddie-Olsen,-Jerry-Patterson-(Paperback,-1986)_W0QQitemZ341333090260QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20 091224?

Lies? What lies? Anyone who has been reading this site knows my statements are true. What motivation do I have to lie?

But let’s move on, shall we? It is quite obvious to every regular reader of this site that you were a system seller. By your OWN testimony you have made thousands selling systems. But now you are not? Okay, fine. We might say an online magazine subscription seller? That’s cool. I have stated that I have no issue with that.

My issues are twofold. Your conflict of interest on this free site. Your obvious contradictory statements. People don’t have to agree with me. But let’s not beat that dead horse. Obvious to everyone but the newbies. I will just remind everyone once in a while.

Now, if not in the past, you repeatedly state that no mechanical betting method can beat the game of Baccarat. I don’t agree with that but I respect your opinion. You state that in order to win one must match a method with a pre-selected table. So the key to success then is table selection as you have often said on this site.

You endorse a number of play methods that can win IF they are matched to the correct table. Any disagreement here? Your net betting 1234 on choppy shoes and 12 betting on streaky shoes, SAP, SKOR (reminds me of twister) all work on certain tables. Yes?

You often invoke OTBL as a decent method of play IF it is used on the correct table. I agree. Fact is, Ellis, that OTBL and TBL will win EVERY pattern and EVERY shoe if you apply them on the right table and at the right time. Agreed? Flat bet, neg. progression, pos. progression all will win. So there are lots of ways to win IF we can match the method with the table.

It seems to me that we should be discussing table selection! Are you willing to help with this? After all, table selection is your baby. I am open minded but I honestly don’t believe that table selection has a long term positive expectation. (I have logged well over 1500 Baccarat shoes all over the country and have the data base to prove it. This doesn’t make me an expert but I think it gives my opinions a tiny bit of weight anyhow.)

Anyone can feel free to comment OR request Mike to ban me from this site. If he requests I will oblige – not a problem. First I have heard of this request so how could I be pissed Ellis? So far those who made the request haven't had the nerve to inform me!

Archer

[Archer]

Ellis, are you kidding?

Winning 19 shoes in a row is STILL within random occurrence. You can't seriously believe that if you win 19 shoes, you are some how now "above" the house.

Did you not read what I've been saying?

I've personally made THOUSANDS creating systems that win up to 30 shoes in a row...sometimes 50....and they ALWAYS....ALWAYS, loose or go 50-50 in the long run.

Short run success is NO guarantee of long run success....EVER.

Anyone who thinks so is a gambler. No offense Ellis, but you're not being realistic. And don't sit here and tell me you and your guys have been winning 19 shoes a day for 10 years......if so...you wouldn't be on this forum...period.

Of course you are right Neverdie and all who read this site understand this. Even Adulay I'm sure. It can and does happen. Congrats to AD on a great win. Ellis uses all the positive results and ignores the negative ones.

After all, the operative word from him as above is "usually" when he is back peddling. then at other times he says "83%." (I believe 83 is a prime number - he should consider the implication of that statement - hard to win a partial shoe, lol). Ellis next time pick a round number!

But let's be fair. Ellis' stuff, as cute little methods go, are well, fun, easy to play low risk guessing games. (Ellis will you give me permission to post the rules to SKOR for all to take a peek?)

The keys to his methods are shoe reading as he candidly states - though in a cloaked fashion. Okay, I mean, why not? For instance, if you see a choppy game you might play SAP then switch to a different prog when you see a change. Of course there are stops and gos and quit shoe moments, etc. If you win, quit while you are ahead, if you lose quit before you lose to much and pick better games.

A

[Ellis]

Archer, I don't have time for your made up crap even when you put it in bold as if that gives it credibility. It's all pure crap and not worthy of comment. Worse, you know damn well its all crap. You know damn well that Break the Dealer is a book about BJ. It's not a system. When Patterson began selling systems Olsen broke away never to speak to Jerry again, ever. Sorry I spelled Stuart or whatever wrong. Big Whip! Go over to the Half-Baked thread and answer the tie question posed to you. Make yourself useful. Quit wasting my time and yours. You sound like sour grapes.

[Archer]

Archer, I don't have time for your made up crap even when you put it in bold as if that gives it credibility. It's all pure crap and not worthy of comment. Worse, you know damn well its all crap. You know damn well that Break the Dealer is a book about BJ. It's not a system. When Patterson began selling systems Olsen broke away never to speak to Jerry again, ever. Sorry I spelled Stuart or whatever wrong. Big Whip! Go over to the Half-Baked thread and answer the tie question posed to you. Make yourself useful. Quit wasting my time and yours. You sound like sour grapes.

LOL I made this up, too, I suppose. Target/ target 21 / T.a.R.G.E.T. blackjack

Sour grapes???? This is about Baccarat - don't take it personal, Ellis, just trying to keep you honest. You are not a professional gambler, you are a professional system, method, subscription seller who is marketing on a free website. You have to expect people will question statements like my paraphrase "OTBL will win half the decisions without doing anything." etc. etc. etc. Dude - it WILL NOT!!!

No time to talk about table selection? Can I post the SKOR rules or not?

Get real Ellis.

A

[Ellis]

Then I wonder how he got from Canada to Vegas? Maybe he had air miles coming???

[Ellis]

LOL I made this up, too, I suppose. Target/ target 21 / T.a.R.G.E.T. blackjack

Sour grapes???? This is about Baccarat - don't take it personal, Ellis, just trying to keep you honest. You are not a professional gambler, you are a professional system, method, subscription seller who is marketing on a free website. You have to expect people will question statements like my paraphrase "OTBL will win half the decisions without doing anything." etc. etc. etc. Dude - it WILL NOT!!!

No time to talk about table selection? Can I post the SKOR rules or not?

Get real Ellis.

As you know perfectly well Target was Jerry Patterson. Again, Sour Grapes.

No, don't post the SKOR rules. That proves you are a crook along with your other problems. SKOR is quite useless if you don't know when to use it. You'll do players more harm than good.

You also know perfectly well that half of all plays are OTB4L plays and that my statement is 100% accurate.

You seem to have a need to misconstrue everything I say to create lies. Why is that? What happened to you? Under the name Jimske you were a forthright individual. Usually when people remake themselves they go for something better. You seem to be striving to turn into a complete ass. Maybe you've been hanging around Garnabee too long. You're getting just like him. You chastise Garnabee for being too critical of people then you come out ten times more critical yorself. You seem possessed with jealousy. Certainly no one would pay $50 a month to listen to more of your BS. Why don't you prove your worth by going back and solving the tie problem. Jimske could have solved it with ease. But the new you? I have my doubts.

[Ellis]

Ellis, are you kidding?

Winning 19 shoes in a row is STILL within random occurrence. You can't seriously believe that if you win 19 shoes, you are some how now "above" the house.

Did you not read what I've been saying?

I've personally made THOUSANDS creating systems that win up to 30 shoes in a row...sometimes 50....and they ALWAYS....ALWAYS, loose or go 50-50 in the long run.

Short run success is NO guarantee of long run success....EVER.

Anyone who thinks so is a gambler. No offense Ellis, but you're not being realistic. And don't sit here and tell me you and your guys have been winning 19 shoes a day for 10 years......if so...you wouldn't be on this forum...period.

No offense taken. You are preaching to the choir neverdie. I have said repeatedly and I teach that all mechanical systems are 50/50 less commission no matter how clever they are or how lengthy the progs they use. I say the same on my public forum about the mechanical systems posted there. I teach that there is only one way to win and mechanical systems isn't it.

Players "testing" a pile of shoes on their kitchen table with some mechanical system are wasting their time just as you have proven. The same is true of entering a bunch of mechanical rules in a computer and playing a thousand or whatever shoes. Hey, I made ALL those mistakes 25 years ago. Now, I'm watching you guys make the very same mistakes.

For 20 years I have been teaching the same procedure. To first find the strongest trend in the casino, no matter what it is and then play the system best equipped to beat that trend. This works as my players keep saying and we keep proving with group trips. You are measuring me by YOUR standards, and that is NOT the way we play. NO ONE else plays the way we do and NO ONE else wins the way we do. I couldn't get whole groups of people to lie about it. That's ridiculous. But Garnabby, even when he watched us do it right under his nose, the whole thing went completely over his head as he was quick to demonstrate.

[ayuinca]

Shame on you Ellis, because you are a math teacher but never speak in a math way. Go on telling those positive story because you believe there are many losers out there blindly want a system to save themselves; and such market you are reckoning is huge, eh? Go back to your own forum, more posts you put here, less 'customer' you will have.

[Archer]

As you know perfectly well Target was Jerry Patterson. Again, Sour Grapes.

No, don't post the SKOR rules. That proves you are a crook along with your other problems. SKOR is quite useless if you don't know when to use it. You'll do players more harm than good.

You also know perfectly well that half of all plays are OTB4L plays and that my statement is 100% accurate.

You seem to have a need to misconstrue everything I say to create lies. Why is that? What happened to you? Under the name Jimske you were a forthright individual. Usually when people remake themselves they go for something better. You seem to be striving to turn into a complete ass. Maybe you've been hanging around Garnabee too long. You're getting just like him. You chastise Garnabee for being too critical of people then you come out ten times more critical yorself. You seem possessed with jealousy. Certainly no one would pay $50 a month to listen to more of your BS. Why don't you prove your worth by going back and solving the tie problem. Jimske could have solved it with ease. But the new you? I have my doubts.

You see Ellis, I ASKED if I cold post our SKOR rules. Thank you for answering at least one question I have put to you!

One method for tie problem has been solved for years. I wasn't the one that solved it, however. I don't use it since the positive EV doesn't come up that much.

I think I am being forthright. I've been pretty candid about my experience with BJ and Baccarat. I have also given you credit where credit is due.

RE: OTBL - You are right and wrong. OTBL almost wins half the decisions not counting commisson. But since outcomes favor B it does not. Furthermore, when one factors in the commisson it loses even more. Hmmm. Okay, if you accuse me of splitting hairs you may be right but I am a stickler for detail. I forget how OTBL performs just on Player. My guess is that it loses even more then when playing B and P.

I don't mind a little name calling. I deserve it since I have done my share! But please stop the anecdotes and try to focus on the Baccarat questions.

For instance, can't we test the validity of trend following trend? This is NOT rocket science Ellis! What are you afraid of?

Archer

PS. I think the nickname "Archer" is cool! >>>-----------------> LOL

[PoFoMoFo]

Forget it AD. This guy lives in a fantasy wannabe world. The names he keeps calling everybody are a perfect depiction of himself. That's where he gets them from. He cheats on quotes, except when he quotes himself over and over again. He cheats on subscriptions. He hides behind aliases. He employs spies but is too stupid to employ literate ones. Then he quotes his own spy completely exposing him to all our members. His spy tries to lose by leaving out key rules but manages to win anyway. That was a little accident because he has no idea of how to compute commission. Look at Garnabee's description of SKOR. Is that any system you recognize?

Neither him nor his spy realize that it is not about systems, its about system selection and table selection. Well, I take that back. Garnabby probably does realize it but that would ruin his fun and fantasy. He prefers cheating the truth. A helpless chronic liar that can't stand being out of his perceived spotlight. He's in the spot light alright, just not the one he thinks he's in. He's what down here in Arkansas we call a complete low life. He doesn't even play. A pretender that knows nothing about the game. He's got that same reputation on every forum. Everybody sees right through him. He's not worth your time or effort.

Forget it and have a happy new year.

Can you teach me how to chose a table??

[Knight]

The game of baccarat is at the end of the day a random game. No 2 shoes are alike. The game can swing from an even chance game to one that is trending more in favour of banker or player and many a times to and fro. The trick is to able to identify the indicators of when the game is even and when a streak is ending. Whatever style you play never push your luck even when you are winning even on a streak. Try to recognize the indicators for example when a streak in ending.

[TSetAim]

Try to recognize the indicators for example when a streak in ending.

And an indicator for a "streak ending" would look like?

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[Ellis]

And an indicator for a "streak ending" would look like?

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Ha! Exactly right TSet.

Sure, Baccarat is a random 50/50 game when we look at the results of many, many shoes combined.


But we play the game in shoes and individual shoes are virtually never random. I'm defining random here as when everything hits it's normal mathematical frequency of occurrence:


half opposites and half repeats
half B and half P (except for the slight B edge)
a one in a row for every 4 plays
a 2 in a row for every 8 plays
a 3 in a row for every 16 plays and so forth.

You will likely NEVER see such a shoe.
Therefore ALL shoes are more or less biased in one way or another.

One thing we know for SURE: Whenever there is more of one thing there MUST be less of another thing to make up for it. This doubles the effect of all biases.

The trick then is to decipher the bias or biases and play them and hope they don't change. And thankfully, they usually don't over the course of a single shoe. So, by doing this we can usually win.

From there, good cash mgt can assure that we win more when we win than we lose when we lose.

But, how do we identify a bias? And then how to we play it?

While simple, virtually nobody can learn how to do this on their own. They need to be taught and they need to be taught the BEST way. AND they need to learn how to win W/O betting more than 5 units.

Buying games with big bets is an accident looking for a place to happen.

My students beat this game on a daily basis both on line and in real casinos playing NOR. And they do this W/O ever betting more than 5 units. Group trip after trip have proven this beyond all doubt. Sure, my Sys 40 is good but NOR is the best approach to the game there is. If I thought 40 was best, I certainly would not have posted it here. Get real!

If you are SERIOUSLY interested in consistently winning this game go to beatthecasino.com and learn NOR. No, it's not free but its a hell of a lot less expensive than doing what you are doing now. Many from BF have done this and are glad they did!

[Glen1978]

[QUOTE=neverdie14;17656]

Short run success is NO guarantee of long run success....EVER.

Anyone who thinks so is a gambler. No offense Ellis, but you're not being realistic. And don't sit here and tell me you and your guys have been winning 19 shoes a day for 10 years......if so...you wouldn't be on this forum...period.

THIS IS PERHAPS the best thing I have ever read on any gambling board from anyone.

I have been playing Baccarat for nearly 30 years in high limit rooms, never on the I-Net or for 'fun'. I have won many times and I have lost equally as much. I have never kept track of wins and losses. I look at the computer at some properties with my casino hosts and see my Wins and Losses. Some of the properties I have huge wins and some I have huge losses. Still, no idea if I am up or down overall after the many years of playing.

But, IMHO, I will tell you, winning overall playing half or more of a shoe, winning 19 shoes straight over 10 years, is utterly impossible and absurd for anyone to think that is possible. True, if someone is saying I won the shoe and they base that on 2 or 4 or possibly 6 or 8 wagers, maybe, but most real live baccarat players are playing at least 1/3 to 2/3 rd's of a shoe, some play the whole thing but not many.

Simply, Baccarat is the easiest casino game to win at and likewise, the easiest to lose at also. Remember that.

I have nothing to sell or profit from by being here. Except the exchange of real and factual information.

[Ellis]

One thing gamblers never run out of - excuses. Glen, if you don't play for fun and you don't keep track, what the hell ARE you doing and why? If you don't keep track, you obviously don't care whether you win or lose. And if you don't care, you are playing for fun - or for the thrill of it. Unless you just played for 30 years because the hosts are nice to you. You are paying them to be nice to you. Guess what they are saying about you behind your back.

[Glen1978]

I don't keep track. I know which properties I am up at and which I have never done well at. I play for thrill and try to make some bucks off my bank roll. I risk my bank roll each time. It is either a pretty good win or a complete loss.

I receive an average of $4,000 to $8,000 in comps for 5 or 6 nights any where I go. Let me clearify a little. I said, I dont play for fun. I meant on-line or sim stuff on the net. Fun meaning the social aspect, commaraderie and the excitement of playing, yes of course. That is what I meant to say. Playing on the internet or with other software for practice or running systems, no.

[soxfan]

One thing gamblers never run out of - excuses. Glen, if you don't play for fun and you don't keep track, what the hell ARE you doing and why? If you don't keep track, you obviously don't care whether you win or lose. And if you don't care, you are playing for fun - or for the thrill of it. Unless you just played for 30 years because the hosts are nice to you. You are paying them to be nice to you. Guess what they are saying about you behind your back.

So, ellis, why don't you tell us all the story of the time you met up with garnabby jones in Vegas? that must have been quite the meeting of the "minds", hey hey.

[LOTI]

Yeah dumb and dumber.

[confusedgambler]

Must be a slow down of fresh meat (suckers) over at BTC. Every time Ellis comes here it is a self promotion ad touting how good he is.... I recommend that everyone just ignore the senile old fart and maybe he'll just go away. Hey miracles do happen.

[Ellis]

So, ellis, why don't you tell us all the story of the time you met up with garnabby jones in Vegas? that must have been quite the meeting of the "minds", hey hey.

There were 15 of us at Gold Coast. I had posted we would be there and all were invited but I sure never expected Garnabby. I had spotted the game just before our opening dinner and went straight to that table after dinner. It was an extremely choppy table and the players had all left mid shoe. There was some guy there arguing with the pit boss for a new shuffle. The pit boss said no emphatically. I said we'll play these and 4 of us bought in for quarters. Now, realizing something was up, the PIT BOSS wants a new shuffle. I said we bought in to play THESE cards. She said fine. We won 17 out of 19 hands mostly due to a 13 ZZ run. Meanwhile Garnabby was introducing himself to my spectator members. He left as soon as we won the last hand.


A couple days later he posted that we had somehow cheated by playing too simple a system. I replied that when a table is 90% opposites, that's what you bet. So then he posted that he was never there. This 3 days after introducing himself to a dozen of my players right at the table and posting about what he saw.


BTW all 15 of us won on that 4 day trip playing at two different casinos. That guy is a ridiculous farce.

[DiMenosCor]

I don't know Ellis, folks seem to love shoot at you at whatever chance they get. Care to share why is that so? Your insight(s) into the game is spot on especially in regards to keeping a low profile and not draw attention.

As for your forum, could also explain as to why not many folks show up and post.

[Ellis]

Must be a slow down of fresh meat (suckers) over at BTC. Every time Ellis comes here it is a self promotion ad touting how good he is.... I recommend that everyone just ignore the senile old fart and maybe he'll just go away. Hey miracles do happen.

I see you have some new intellectuals here. This one isn't mature enough to realize that one day soon he will be just as old as me. And he will STILL be losing because he is too stupid to listen to winning players. But, if we didn't have losers there would be no Baccarat. So, thanks guy.

[confusedgambler]

I see you have some new intellectuals here. This one isn't mature enough to realize that one day soon he will be just as old as me. And he will STILL be losing because he is too stupid to listen to winning players. But, if we didn't have losers there would be no Baccarat. So, thanks guy.

So anybody that isn't a BTC member is a losing player? Anybody desperate enough to pay you money to learn how to win playing the game of baccarat is the real loser..

Thank you for not refuting my assertion that the only reason why you're here again is to self promote your paid forum and over price junk systems.

But not to worry Ellis, there will always be fresh idiots for you to con. Maybe you'll get a couple new recruits real quick and then you can just go away and leave us "losers" alone....if only.