Pitboss: I Beat Baccarat! (Free Strategy Here)

[Egalite]

So ask yourself how do you lose more hands than win and still win?

Archer

By using a progression.

[LVDealer]

Someone said: some days you win some days you lose. That is right. I know that there is no holy grail system in baccarat but we can take advantage of the shoes that go good with our systems and leave when we are up some units, right. If you have proper bankroll you should be able to sustain few bad shoes and wait for the right moment. I just came back from a session and I ended up reaching my goal of 6units for the day and I am happy about it. It started pretty bad as the first ten hands that I played I lost every one of them and the first shoe was -8u and then 2nd one was -4 but next 3 shoes were pretty good and I came back = win 8u. So I think patience and discipline are the most important things in baccarat. I am going to start a tread in the morning and post my live shoes and see how guys would have played , and how much would you have won, so maybe I can learn something from you. I am not really happy about winning rate per shoe today (8u/5shoes), but hell, that is $200 in my pocket.

[kadiddle]

When a system isn't working, stop betting or go to flat betting. If you're down more the 5 units at worst I'd be flat betting. If I got down 10 I'd call it quits on that shoe. You can't be forcing your ways with a method if it's just not working at that ime. Keep your powder dry until you hit the sweet spot in the shoe. If it doesn't come, you've at least limited your losses.

[desmond]

What's the OT count Ellis? Guessing it is O for OTBL and T for TBL?

A

Thanks for the method and i feel is good strategy and need to plus some experience to judge when to chop and some situation not to chop or involve.

[Archer]

By using a progression.

Yes, of course that is right and we all know that a progression in and of it self does not make a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game.

So there is only two ways to overcome the inevitable in my opinion. Change the bet placement by RULES which will allow winning of more of the big bets than small bets or change the progression to RECOVER what you have lost during the losing streaks.

Mark Maverick, for instance, in his published method keeps the same progression but changes the placements. But he should be able to program that to see how effective it is.

Changing the progression for recovery really means increasing the progression and taking a bigger risk. Ian Harmer's "Turnaround" attempts that so does Oscar's Grind I believe, etc. That should be able to be programmed as well.

My preferred method is recovery betting if I am not flat betting.

Archer

[dg0412]

Hi LV dealer,

When u say u wait for 3 in a row, do u mean u start pitboss strategy of 1 unit on betting 3 will not go to 4, and bet 2 unit that 4 will not go to 5? OR you jsut skip his first step and bet 3 will not go to 4 with 2 unit?

I realise 4s happen a lot more frequent thant 5s. HAve seen five 4s in a shoe.

Will it be better if we wait for 3 in a row and bet 1 unit it will not go to 4 and if lose bet 2 unit it will not go to 5? A small modification to the strategy.

[LVDealer]

Hi LV dealer,

When u say u wait for 3 in a row, do u mean u start pitboss strategy of 1 unit on betting 3 will not go to 4, and bet 2 unit that 4 will not go to 5? OR you jsut skip his first step and bet 3 will not go to 4 with 2 unit?

I realise 4s happen a lot more frequent thant 5s. HAve seen five 4s in a shoe.

Will it be better if we wait for 3 in a row and bet 1 unit it will not go to 4 and if lose bet 2 unit it will not go to 5? A small modification to the strategy.

That is correct. I wait for 3 PPP/BBB and the bet that it wont go to 4, then 2units that it is not going 5. I played a little bit last night and there ware 2 shoes in a row with 3 runs of 4 each and only one PPPPP so I did pretty good.

[steve6969]

i think he is right how many 5 do you see in a shoe and dont forget you are betting 1 unit on the run plus you have to use a stop loss mm and look for choppy tables i mean if i see a table with a lot of streaks i would not play i played this method last night playing black i like the fact its a 2 hi played two shoes for a total of 9 units

[LVDealer]

But i came across many times where when 3 or 4 streaks began to form, buying the opposite will be like "waiting disaster to happen". It's just waiting to happen.

If it never happen, you are fine.
If It happens, your bank-roll is finished....... GONE

Looks like not so wise....

Look like you have not read PitBoss' strategy. I play exactly like him, except I wait for 3 in a row and then start it.

i think he is right how many 5 do you see in a shoe and dont forget you are betting 1 unit on the run plus you have to use a stop loss mm and look for choppy tables i mean if i see a table with a lot of streaks i would not play i played this method last night playing black i like the fact its a 2 hi played two shoes for a total of 9 units

That is superb! i have also noticed that if there is a cluster of runs in the begining of the shoe, then it becomes really choppy and long runs do not develop, and the opposite applies also if the shoe is choppy at the begining the there seems like there are more streak towards the end, so if I reach my goal early on a choppy shoe - then I stop playing and I wait for a new shoe

[LVDealer]

I waited 3 times only went in..... U know what happens?

It's 11 times of Player... I think it's impossible. But it happens.
So how? I burst my account. Should I look into something else?

Like i said , you seem to have not read the strategy at the beginning of this tread. 11 players/bankers in a row would be actually perfect for me because I still end up making few units I suggest that you go to the first page of this tread and read what this strategy is all about.

[marylinda1]

Exactly right! Waste no time or money at bad tables. The whole trick of it is finding the right (BEST) table. Then adjust your betting aggression based on the quality of that table. Keep risk at an absolute minimum BUT go for the jugular when they drop their guard. It takes lots of experience and practice but ANYONE can learn to win this way and its NOT the only way! Once you've really got it down pat its amazing how streaky a shoe can get and you still beat it.

Re: **I beat Baccarat!!** (Free Strategy Here)
Here is an idea...not sure if its worth anything.......I tested a couple of shoes and noticed that when a shoe starts bad, it really gets worse as the shoe goes on ( more consecutive 4 and 5 consecutive P or B's which ruin this method ).

So how about...... if you are down 4 units right away at the beginning of the shoe, then start betting against the method.

If you win the next 4 units betting against the method, leave the shoe with breakeven ( minus a loss of the banker commission. Probably about .30 to .40 of a unit.)

If you lose the next 4 units, then exit the shoe with an 8 unit ( plus B comm ) loss.

Not sure if this will work out in the long tun....just something to think about.

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[Ellis]

Very Good Mary! We are discussing OTB4L here. It's mate (Exact opposite) is TB4L. IF one is losing, its mate MUST be winning. There is no other possibility.

Therefore it is best to decide which way to go BEFORE you start betting. Which mate is winning the most hands. EVERY play (except ties) must be a TB4L play (time before last) or an OTB4L play (Opposite time before last).

On my forum beatthecasino.com private Baccarat forum we do it this way. We keep a running OT count. This is +1 for an OTB4L play and -1 for a TB4L play. With a + count you base with OTB4L. With a - count you base with TB4L. With a Neutral count (Hovering 0) you can safely net bet TB4L vs OTB4L.

I apologize for advertising on this forum but, after all, it has become the best forum to advertise on!

Yes, we do charge a token subscription fee. But you usually make that back in your first casino shoe, and more. It is well worth it.

This approach gets you winning MOST of your bets so virtually ANY progression will do well, even flat bet. I prefer U1D2 M2 with a stop win of +20 units and a stop loss of -8 units. You'll be amazed how often you hit +20 with this approach and how seldom you hit -8.

The key is knowing when to bet OTR (on the run) whether straight or ZZ when playing OTB4L or on the TT run (terrible twos BB PP BB PP) when playing TB4L.

This highly successful approach is taught step by step in great detail at beatthecasino.com.

But it is not the ONLY winning approach. Several others are also taught. But I warn you that it takes study and hard work to learn how to beat casinos consistently. But anyone with the will to do it can, in fact, do it. Several from this forum are already winning consistently. All are invited.

[Archer]

Very Good Mary! We are discussing OTB4L here. It's mate (Exact opposite) is TB4L. IF one is losing, its mate MUST be winning. There is no other possibility.

Ahhh, yes, another pigeon for Ellis. You sound like a nice sweet old man in this one. But Ellis you'd better get moving on that new latest method you are promising over on your web site. Don't spend all your time here hawking 50 bucks. Besides, I can't wait to see your newest method. How many methods will that make now 17? 18? LOL

Therefore it is best to decide which way to go BEFORE you start betting. Which mate is winning the most hands. EVERY play (except ties) must be a TB4L play (time before last) or an OTB4L play (Opposite time before last).

Brilliant. Whichever won the most hands previous will most of the time win the most hands forthcoming. Either that or just the opposite. That's how Ellis made millions of dollars and was able to buy a $100,000.00 house in northern Arkansas where he sits in front of his computer and hawks a website for 50 bucks a month.

On my forum beatthecasino.com private Baccarat forum we do it this way. We keep a running OT count. This is +1 for an OTB4L play and -1 for a TB4L play. With a + count you base with OTB4L. With a - count you base with TB4L. With a Neutral count (Hovering 0) you can safely net bet TB4L vs OTB4L.

See how simple it is, Mary. With this knowledge and 50 bucks a month you too can move to Arkansas!

I apologize for advertising on this forum but, after all, it has become the best forum to advertise on!

Why should you apologize for advertising Ellis. Mike has given you a cash cow here. If you had any integrity at all you'd send him a commission! But no, you have the unmitigated gall to throw it in his face!

Yes, we do charge a token subscription fee. But you usually make that back in your first casino shoe, and more. It is well worth it.

This approach gets you winning MOST of your bets so virtually ANY progression will do well, even flat bet. I prefer U1D2 M2 with a stop win of +20 units and a stop loss of -8 units. You'll be amazed how often you hit +20 with this approach and how seldom you hit -8.

Go ahead, Mary, play 50 shoes (not real money for heaven's sake) and report back to us how amazed you are that you hit -8 so many times!

The key is knowing when to bet OTR (on the run) whether straight or ZZ when playing OTB4L or on the TT run (terrible twos BB PP BB PP) when playing TB4L.

Now comes the magic elixir. The key that only Ellis can teach you IF, I say IF you work hard enough and study enough and when it doesn't quite work out there is always a new method to try and if that doesn't work then, well, you just aren't any good at it.

This highly successful approach is taught step by step in great detail at beatthecasino.com.

But it is not the ONLY winning approach. Several others are also taught. But I warn you that it takes study and hard work to learn how to beat casinos consistently. But anyone with the will to do it can, in fact, do it. Several from this forum are already winning consistently. All are invited.

Ellis has lots of winning approaches. Tell her about how the only way to win is table selection Ellis or have you now dropped that idea? Tell her how you don't sell systems but approaches. Maybe she will bite on that one. After all, only 50 bucks.

LOL - you are such a pathetic loser rip off artist but I am glad you are back because it is here where you are exposed.

Don't thank me, Ellis, my pleasure!

Archer

[Ellis]

Archer, you have nothing better to do than hang on every word I say. Me thinks you are the one who is pathetic and needs to get a life. Why are you so enthralled with me and my family. Don't you have one of your own? Get a life of your own. Mine is taken. But thanks for all the notoriety and sales.

[Archer]

Archer, you have nothing better to do than hang on every word I say. Me thinks you are the one who is pathetic and needs to get a life. Why are you so enthralled with me and my family. Don't you have one of your own? Get a life of your own. Mine is taken. But thanks for all the notoriety and sales.

LOL We go back a long tiime, huh? - Sales, sales, sales! Keep raking in those $50.00 bills. I don't want you to starve! Beats playing Baccarat, huh? How many shoes have you played in the last ten years? LOL. These newbies don't know that you don't even play! Pffff!

When is the new wonder system coming out that you have been pumping people up with? Hehehehe! The hits just keep on coming don't they, Ellis?

[pitty1]

I wait for the day the ultimate tagteam..Isak/Ellis...the dynamic dual..Only then there would be hope they can get a thousand a pop for each quarterly system.

[garnabby]

Archer, you have nothing better to do than hang on every word I say. Me thinks you are the one who is pathetic and needs to get a life. Why are you so enthralled with me and my family. Don't you have one of your own? Get a life of your own. Mine is taken. But thanks for all the notoriety and sales.

Like simply realizing that Ellis CAN NOT TELL A TRUTH (, and could therefore not directly tell us that, itself,) "Me knows" eg, from notoriety - definition of notoriety by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. that 'notoriety' means,

no·to·ri·e·ty (nt-r-t) n. The quality or condition of being notorious; ill fame.


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I wait for the day the ultimate tagteam..Isak/Ellis...the dynamic dual..Only then there would be hope they can get a thousand a pop for each quarterly system.

No, sillE already tacitly or directly works with the known and alleged criminals, "clowns", et al. What's keeping them going, other than old-age/welfare... the good-scammer johno's who promote similarly-useless methods, etc, instead of trying to face up to reality, however.

[Ellis]

Hmmm, nothing a frontal lobotomy wouldn't correct.

[garnabby]

Hmmm, nothing a frontal lobotomy wouldn't correct.

And even that... wouldn't help youze, lol. (But it would still surely help everyone else!)

[garnabby]

For the benefit of old sillE who just logged off, didn't get it...

... because we wouldn't have to further "endure" their neuroses/psychoses, which is about all it really amounts to.

[Ellis]

Always totally predictable! And totally uneducational!

[PoFoMoFo]

thx pitboss

[dg0412]

A question for all.
If we switch the strategy to wait for 3s instead of 2s, do we tune down the stop win target? I have notice 3s really do not happen that frequent as 2s....

Or do we go to a 3 step program on 2s (1->2->4) but will lose 8 units to a 5s?

The reason for either strategy is to evade the pesky 4s, 4s definitely is more frequent than 5s though...................

[dongqing]

Sorry I haven't posted in awhile! However, there's a good reason!

I am currently +$15,000 since October.

I found the most important rule to remember is to GET UP!!!! LOL

Oh, and discipline to not EVER change this strategy.

It was very slow going at first---$100/hour/day. But I wanted to be sure that I could win consistently before I changed my playing time and unit dollar amount.

Well, enough small talk, here's what I did:

1) Waiting for a repeat of either P or B, otherwise known as "2 in a row". I started with a 1 unit bet that it would jump to the other side. So if 2 P's showed, I would bet 1 unit that a B would come next. win= +1 loss= -1

2) If a repeat went to 3 in a row, I bet 2 units that it would jump to the other side. win= +1 loss= -3

3) If a repeat went to 4 in a row, I bet 1 unit that it would repeat to 5. win= -2 loss= -4

4) If it did repeat to 5, I left 1 unit on the repeating side that it would go 6, and continue to let that 1 unit ride until the end of the repeat streak.(5,6,7,8,9,10....hit 18 B's in a row once! +11 units)

5) If the repeats did not go to 5, and jumped after 4, that repeat streak would result in a loss of 4 units. (that's the most you will ever lose in one repeat streak). I would then start over and wait for the "2 in a row" and begin with step 1.

THAT'S IT!!

For those of you that are reading this, you probably know about the basic mathematics behind Baccarat. You probably also know that this is the reason this system works! Grind + Time = Victory for US!!!

The most you press is to 2 units. (step 2)

From my playing time, I have encountered maybe 1 out of 10 shoes that resulted in a loss. Although those losses were very minimal.

I'm still using this strategy and hope to quit my job in January.

Hope this helps you guys out, thanks for reading!!!!

OH VERY IMPORTANT: +4 to +8 units per shoe/LEAVE!! This can happen immediately or you may have to grind it out. I experimented a few times with playing entire shoes and ended up anywhere from +1 to +10 units. But on average it's just not worth the time or risk. I mean a few times I won my 4 units in 3 mins. Lol. GET IN-GET OUT!!

I tried and no loss, but profits slow
I now try it with other system.

[grassshopper]

Pitboss,

where are you? share your results with us, great posts,

hope to hear from you again soon!

[TZX6868]

Hey guys,

I am new to the forum not too long. I think the pitboss' system will work for a long run. but could you lose base on this system? yes, you will, because I think any kind of system or strategy will have its' positive and negative side. It is totally depend on how do you manage your win and lose, like set up a limit to yourself when is the time to leave the casino, and also patient and discipline are very important. I believe whatever you win or lose is not depend on the result of a day, it's base on a long run.

Also thanks to pitboss' thread, I will do some live shoe test and will post any update.

[extremeb]

sorry guys, just want to be a little bold than usual...

What I teach is the way I learned to play. My secret is this; whether BJ or Bac you can't play mechanically. You must know how to pick your time and place and then play the table and the shoe in front of you. ALL mechanical systems break even in Baccarat and lose in BJ including Basic Strategy and card counting. If you play OTB4L mechanically the same way every shoe, regardless of the shoe, you will break even eventually precisely as you have just proved here and you keep on proving time after time. The same is true of every Bac system on Earth. What Joker says is correct. You may win for a while but.....It is pointless for you guys to go on testing this way. Your results will ALWAYS be the same no matter how clever the system is you are testing.

The secret is FIRST, selecting the best table, THEN selecting the best system for that table, THEN selecting the best variation of that system to mold it to the shoe in front of you. That method of play cannot be tested. You don't have table conditions at home or on your computer or in a Zumma tester. But that is exactly what we are playing in reality - table conditions. Whether BJ or Bac, THAT is what you must learn to do - play the table conditions at hand.

Ellis,
u mentioned about "choosing", no mechanical system will work...so would u agree to my thread "I asked myself lately, what is the Holy Grail all about" ? i.e. experience/intuition/and maybe even luck all count



everyone,
about Pittboss's method - OTB4L/TB4L, this method does have to depend on the shoe condition (based on a few posts here), right? i hope u dun mis-lead others who are new and have more clarity on it. so probably it's best to state that too.

another thing, i really dont see the breakthru in this method (nothing against u Pittboss). i was teach by a friend about 2yrs ago (end of 2008), and he is not even into gambling. of cos, it's not exactly the same as Pittboss's, but the concept is all the same, just "variations".

my friend's method was, banker appear once, then u bet player twice, if it's still banker (meaning it's now BBB), then u bet banker will go to 4 in a roll (or more and keep riding too). obviously, the killer for this method is BBBPP or PPPBB (3 in a roll), and Pittboss's is 4 in a roll.

to me, the breakthru of this type of method is that, it neutralises the weakness of brute-force method. usually brute-force is u keep on betting that it will switch side (keep betting opposite), and if it's doesnt (meaning long streaks) then you're screwed. so this method is smart enough to switch side to prevent long streaks killing u. these are all simply a variation on top of each other.

i tried that, didnt really work.
well, to be exact, like some of u said, some days it works some days it doesnt, and also like what ellis said, i guess u got to know how to pick the shoe base on its conditions.

sorry dont get me wrong, im not saying that Pittboss's wont work.
since his is a different variation from my friend's, it may work, i dont know.



neverdie14,
im going to tell u my point striaght-up, then only i explain. that is, i hope u will come back and keep trying and dont give-up.

1) u cant prove there will not be a holy grail

2) it's lame, but i still have to say it, learn from our mistakes (no matter whose mistake it is), modify it improve it whatever, thats what this forum is for (i rember someone said that)

we are lucky now we have internet and forums etc, we can group together from all around the world to discuss and solve problems, more minds more power. back then people didnt have these. we should be progressing at a faster speed than old times.

3) try to give people a reason or some supporting that why u think their system wont work (to do that u probably need to analyse it first), dont just say it wont work like what u said to Pittboss, thats just pure discouragement, u dont expect people to just listen right

4) your system...the one about 2 same suits + win with 2cards drawn only etc...is it related to baccarat or stats or math in any logical way? u wait for that to happen then u bet, so it's just like people who wait for certain pattern to occur then they start betting ya?

just a side comment, this is really hard for u, i must say.
people who wait for a certain pattern before betting, they can walk around every table and look at the chart/result and see if their pattern has occurred. but yours is way harder, u got to actually stick to one table and keep watching, otherwise there is no other way to see what suits and how many cards were drawn etc.

5) every trip u go to the casino, did u double your bankroll before u go home?

i asked this in another thread before but no one responded (i think it was sevenshooter's thread), probably because everyone thinks it's bs or nonsense, but im not offended (dont worry). im here to look for answers and critizism to improve.

say u bring 100units to casino each trip, u go to casino once a week, each trip u only win 10units, u win 8weeks straight (thats +80units in 2months) and then u lost in the 9th week (which is -100units), so u are -20units down now, right? and then u tell people u been using this method for 2months it works and then later it breaks and u lost all your bankroll. thats not really how i define it, if that is the case.

personally, it's only just me, the problem is u shouldnt consider yourself won 8trips, to me u didnt even win one trip because u didnt double your bankroll each trip.

why at least doubling bankroll is so important to me, and why do i use that as a definition of winning in a trip? because that way u can even it out with your losses, i.e. u win 2 trips and then u lost 2 trips - you're even.

if u didnt double your bankroll, 1 losing trip n u will lose all your winnings + portion of your bankroll. but hey, thats just how i define it.

u won 500k...i need to know more details like...how much is your one unit and how often you go to casino. dont get me wrong, im not even doubting that u didnt win 500k, it's just because the betting frequency is important, not how much dollar value u won, e.g. if u use 10k per unit, u only won 50 games to get to 500k, thats not enough to say your system works in the first place (and if thats the case then u cant say it broke).

and also if u think ellis is right, then shoe condition is a factor too, that might have contributed to your loss, but i cant be sure.

[eyz]

I had some successful results from this strategy after using a particular strategy in this forum.

I will spend some more time on this methods.

Thanks Pitboss.

[DAWGPEN]

I really with Ellis the con man would stop posting here. He is only here to promote his site and bilk more unsuspecting victims. It is really pathetic.

[grassshopper]

has anyone tested this method on a casino lately?

how are your results? any suggestions?