Pitboss: I Beat Baccarat! (Free Strategy Here)

[Pitboss]

Hello again,

Decided to stop at a loss today!!!!!!

What's crazy is that it took 3 shoes to lose lol!

I wanted to chart and remember what it felt like to drive home with less money in my pocket than what I came in with.

The shoe was a classic 'system killer' with the first quadrant containing 4 4in a rows!

By playing past my stop loss and rekindling that losing feeling, I remembered that this game has no mercy!! It can be brutal and can destroy all hope. Or maybe not...

Normally I would never continue playing at the same table after losing 8 units & this is exactly why. Someone asked me before, "why stop at only 4 units?". Its because, at least for me, that 4 units is about the average win per shoe, whether I play the whole shoe or get up right away. I'm sure that most of you have had success playing the whole shoe or waiting for a higher unit/win amount, but 4 units is comfortable, relatively low stress, and now that I've been able to duplicate this numerous times, its almost second nature!

To the skeptics and those negative gamblers out there, be patient, and know that most of us aren't selling you anything or telling you that our 'system' is the best and works all the time, we are all on here just trying to help each other...I think lol!

Oh, and I'm still working!!

[ADulay]

The shoe was a classic 'system killer' with the first quadrant containing 4 4in a rows!!

Any chance you could post up that shoe with the 4's in it? As a student of the game, I'd like to give it a try.

AD

[Joker]

That's why i stay away from gambling.. you can lose control at anytime.. especially if you bring lots of money with.. feel great to go into casino with lots of money and you will be surprise how fast you can lose the money....

and that' not the end.. if you got really pissed.. you go home and get more money and come back to casino and lose more money....

very scary to imagine that... lose all the saving in one day.... no joke...

this is how I gamble right now... I play just like lottery... I bring $10 to casino... if I win.. i double up.. and double up.... if I lose $10 then i go home.. just like buying lottery... never come back same day or go next day.. i just go whenever i go around there.....

I have saved up more money than ever.. when i was gambling man.. you can lose $3000 a month easily.... never ever going back to that life again...

[SRTZEE]

Pitboss, where you up on your first 3 shoes then? Have you seen the four 4's before? You must of played through 100's of shoes now and this can't be too common. Did you stick around to see if the 4 streak continued after you were done?

Thanks

[SRTZEE]

Pitboss, any update on how this is working for you?

[neverdie14]

Hello again,

Decided to stop at a loss today!!!!!!

What's crazy is that it took 3 shoes to lose lol!

I wanted to chart and remember what it felt like to drive home with less money in my pocket than what I came in with.

The shoe was a classic 'system killer' with the first quadrant containing 4 4in a rows!

By playing past my stop loss and rekindling that losing feeling, I remembered that this game has no mercy!! It can be brutal and can destroy all hope. Or maybe not...

Normally I would never continue playing at the same table after losing 8 units & this is exactly why. Someone asked me before, "why stop at only 4 units?". Its because, at least for me, that 4 units is about the average win per shoe, whether I play the whole shoe or get up right away. I'm sure that most of you have had success playing the whole shoe or waiting for a higher unit/win amount, but 4 units is comfortable, relatively low stress, and now that I've been able to duplicate this numerous times, its almost second nature!

To the skeptics and those negative gamblers out there, be patient, and know that most of us aren't selling you anything or telling you that our 'system' is the best and works all the time, we are all on here just trying to help each other...I think lol!

Oh, and I'm still working!!

I can't stop you from gambling....no one can. Whenever we create a winning system....we get hooked. The game was designed not only by the greatest mathematicians in the world, but also by the greatest human psychologists. And, based on human psychology, baccarat's inevitable weaknesses in it's early stages to any system player empowers the human psyche into believing they now present some sort of edge over the house....no matter how modest a person is about it.....

All I can hope is you don't lose ALL of your winnings back....that you don't ever quit your job...and that if you DO lose all of your winnings back (which you will if you keep playing) that you STOP at that point and never gamble (at least with baccarat) again.

Good luck pitboss....maybe you will be one of the stronger ones and keep your winnings, or stop after you lose them back.

[SRTZEE]

Or he could go on and make another $19,000 It's called gambling!!! Let me guess you never drive a car because you might get into an accident?

[neverdie14]

Or he could go on and make another $19,000 It's called gambling!!! Let me guess you never drive a car because you might get into an accident?

This analogy is funny...but a bit lame, as far as effectiveness in getting your point across.

Whether or not he can do it again or not, doesn't mean anything. The point is, for him to consider it a now "guaranteed" thing, and worth trading in his job for, is nuts. So I am simply telling him, from my experience, that leaving with his winnings and stopping now is ideal. I've made over half a million dollars gambling....and over the course of 2-3 years, gave it all back.

And by the way, I currently drive a suped up audi....I'm definitely not afraid to drive.

[Joker]

Hey neverdie.. you have good point.. i am amazed that you made half a million? how did you get that?

which game and system and backroll can you share with us?

thank you

[SRTZEE]

LMFAO!!!! Whats lame is you braggging about driving an audi!!! Nobody asked or cares!!!

Back to the topic at hand!!! Pitboss!!!

[neverdie14]

LMFAO!!!! Whats lame is you braggging about driving an audi!!! Nobody asked or cares!!!

Back to the topic at hand!!! Pitboss!!!

Funny thing is the ignorance you display...it's not very unexpected on these forums....what makes your ignorance even funnier is that you are confident about it...

Reread the post I responded to.....my stating I drive a "suped up audi", (most people know audis are fast cars, and usually a "timid" person will choose a slower car) was an unbiased defense to the idea that I am the "scared of my own shadow" type....in regards to the statement you made that I am "afraid to drive a car because I may get into an accident"....

The truth is the contrary to what you feel or think. Yet, you take my response as "bragging", rather than a precise, defensive, effective, and coherent response. Very typical...especially on an online forum....

Notice joker's response was the opposite of ignorant.

To joker....I used a $30k bankroll,....I made about $15-$30k a month....the system was simple....but you had to be very patient.

You had to wait for two setups to occur before wagering.....you waited for one, for either side to get the same suite (hearts, diamond, clubs, spade) as the first two cards....the value did not matter (yet)....once that happened, you then waited for either two '4s', or 2 '6s' to leave the deck ( I mean the 4 or 6 card). Once that happened, you then wait for one side to win, with a two card draw, with the other side getting a third card. For instance, player draws face card and 6 (stands) and banker draws face card, 1, and 2.....So if player got the two card draw win, with the two suites as the first 2 cards, and 2 6s left the deck (doesn't have to happen in one hand).....then you bet on player for the next 1-10 hands, ......until banker gets the same "setup".

A lot of times, different "setups" for the other side, would interrupt the current "setup" you are waiting on for the opposite side, so you'd be waiting for a while.

I would bet $200 and $300 units. I would sometimes win 20 hands in a row....and have to leave because I was drawing in too much attention.....

[bacplayer2010]

yup i agree lost a great deal one day lol but plans to win it back lmao, especially now with all your positive thoughts and tips on this forum lol crosses fingers hopefully lol

That's why i stay away from gambling.. you can lose control at anytime.. especially if you bring lots of money with.. feel great to go into casino with lots of money and you will be surprise how fast you can lose the money....

and that' not the end.. if you got really pissed.. you go home and get more money and come back to casino and lose more money....

very scary to imagine that... lose all the saving in one day.... no joke...

this is how I gamble right now... I play just like lottery... I bring $10 to casino... if I win.. i double up.. and double up.... if I lose $10 then i go home.. just like buying lottery... never come back same day or go next day.. i just go whenever i go around there.....

I have saved up more money than ever.. when i was gambling man.. you can lose $3000 a month easily.... never ever going back to that life again...

[gerard711]

You had to wait for two setups to occur before wagering.....you waited for one, for either side to get the same suite (hearts, diamond, clubs, spade) as the first two cards....the value did not matter (yet)....once that happened, you then waited for either two '4s', or 2 '6s' to leave the deck ( I mean the 4 or 6 card). Once that happened, you then wait for one side to win, with a two card draw, with the other side getting a third card. For instance, player draws face card and 6 (stands) and banker draws face card, 1, and 2.....So if player got the two card draw win, with the two suites as the first 2 cards, and 2 6s left the deck (doesn't have to happen in one hand).....then you bet on player for the next 1-10 hands, ......until banker gets the same "setup".

A lot of times, different "setups" for the other side, would interrupt the current "setup" you are waiting on for the opposite side, so you'd be waiting for a while.

I would bet $200 and $300 units. I would sometimes win 20 hands in a row....and have to leave because I was drawing in too much attention.....

I have a few questions the setup you speak of ,2 ...4 or 6`s leaving the shoe , same suite as the first two cards ,and that same side winning all this can happen in say 6 hands....when the same suite 2 card drawn win happens thats is part 2,part 1 being that the two 4-6 left the shoe

also what type of money management did you use ,progression? did you bet same side till you won for the next 1-10 hands

So thats it thats the system, im no expert but if you won 500k plus ,how does it stop working all of a sudden ,it has still got to perform well ,they didnt change the rules, and is this the system that you spoke about last year in the fall

Thanks
Gerard

[Ellis]

Hello again,

Decided to stop at a loss today!!!!!!

What's crazy is that it took 3 shoes to lose lol!

I wanted to chart and remember what it felt like to drive home with less money in my pocket than what I came in with.

The shoe was a classic 'system killer' with the first quadrant containing 4 4in a rows!

By playing past my stop loss and rekindling that losing feeling, I remembered that this game has no mercy!! It can be brutal and can destroy all hope. Or maybe not...

Normally I would never continue playing at the same table after losing 8 units & this is exactly why. Someone asked me before, "why stop at only 4 units?". Its because, at least for me, that 4 units is about the average win per shoe, whether I play the whole shoe or get up right away. I'm sure that most of you have had success playing the whole shoe or waiting for a higher unit/win amount, but 4 units is comfortable, relatively low stress, and now that I've been able to duplicate this numerous times, its almost second nature!

To the skeptics and those negative gamblers out there, be patient, and know that most of us aren't selling you anything or telling you that our 'system' is the best and works all the time, we are all on here just trying to help each other...I think lol!

Oh, and I'm still working!!

Good job Pit Boss! When I said you weren't yet playing OTB4L the best way, your high 4's losing shoe brings up part of what I was talking about. To lose to the 4s you were playing the standard 2 bet prog. What we do is monitor 4s vs 5 or mores. Overall they are equal but in a given shoe one or the other reigns. If its 4s, we deploy a 3 bet primary OTB4L prog. If its 5 or mores we use a 2 bet prog. If you play that shoe over with a 3 bet prog you'll see that you win it easily and big.

Personally I always start with a 3 bet primary prog then let the shoe tell me what to do from there. Every now and then I get a shoe with no 5 or mores that is usually good for +30. That's probably what AD wanted to demonstrate to you. It pays to know some of these tricks of the trade.

These guys here mean well but they are burned out on mechanical progs. As I keep saying here ALL mechanical progs eventually fail no matter how fancy you make them or how often you switch. This includes shallow progs like Oscars grind all the way up to Fibonacis.

When I learned this 30 years ago I was just as despondent as these guys here are now. Progs are not the answer. At that point you have only two choices: to give up like these guys did or change tactics completely. They chose the former. I chose the latter. There ARE other ways.

[Ellis]

Hey Garnabby, first you criticize me for saying that a casino will eventually learn to beat your static system, saying that is ridiculous. Now you criticize me for publishing systems that the casino can buy and learn to beat. Which is it Garnabby? You can't have it both ways. I think its obvious to all that you are simply going to criticize me no matter what I say. You'd make a fine republican.

[Ellis]

Funny thing is the ignorance you display...it's not very unexpected on these forums....what makes your ignorance even funnier is that you are confident about it...

Neverdie, see if you can teach yourself to write a mature post W/O calling somebody a name. You'll be the better man for your efforts. I real man would apologize.

[SRTZEE]

Yes I'm confident that audi's are not fast, maybe in your world they are but not in reality or at the track. Maybe compared to a hyundai or toyota...lol I can fit both your rims in one of my toyo 315's So putt, putt down the road and take your strategy with you. Too bad you lost all that "supposed" money, you could of bought a real car.

[Ellis]

Geez! Guys, Baccarat, remember? I remember those days but at 70, I'm content with my Ford minivan. Slowest car I ever owned but also the best gas mileage and most cargo space. No Garnabby, it won't do 160!

My fastest was the '67 4.2 XKE true roadster with 3 2bbl SUs prog linkage, locked rear end. 4th gear rubber. 2400 lbs curb weight. 160 MPH easy. But slow by today's standards.

Geez, now there I go.

[neverdie14]

Yes I'm confident that audi's are not fast, maybe in your world they are but not in reality or at the track. Maybe compared to a hyundai or toyota...lol I can fit both your rims in one of my toyo 315's So putt, putt down the road and take your strategy with you. Too bad you lost all that "supposed" money, you could of bought a real car.

If you think audis are not fast, then you are more lost than I imagined.

I've beaten gt mustangs, aston martins, suped up hondas...the works with my car. My car has an extreme horse power....I won't even mention it here. You have clue how much my car cost. Zero.

Ignorance.....again.

[neverdie14]

Geez! Guys, Baccarat, remember? I remember those days but at 70, I'm content with my Ford minivan. Slowest car I ever owned but also the best gas mileage and most cargo space. No Garnabby, it won't do 160!

My fastest was the '67 4.2 XKE true roadster with 3 2bbl SUs prog linkage, locked rear end. 4th gear rubber. 2400 lbs curb weight. 160 MPH easy. But slow by today's standards.

Geez, now there I go.

I also have a nissan skyline that goes faster than my audi.

This is not a discussion of cars....I'm aware of that....it was simply in my own defense. Obviously,....the reaction by srtzee, proves my points.

[neverdie14]

Neverdie, see if you can teach yourself to write a mature post W/O calling somebody a name. You'll be the better man for your efforts. I real man would apologize.

If a person is offended by my calling them on their actions,....then they have no place in a debate. Thin skin is no place for a debate.

[neverdie14]

I have a few questions the setup you speak of ,2 ...4 or 6`s leaving the shoe , same suite as the first two cards ,and that same side winning all this can happen in say 6 hands....when the same suite 2 card drawn win happens thats is part 2,part 1 being that the two 4-6 left the shoe

also what type of money management did you use ,progression? did you bet same side till you won for the next 1-10 hands

So thats it thats the system, im no expert but if you won 500k plus ,how does it stop working all of a sudden ,it has still got to perform well ,they didnt change the rules, and is this the system that you spoke about last year in the fall

Thanks
Gerard

Pretty much....no progression....just flat bet either $200 or $300....stayed the same side. I didn't just lose the $500k back at once....the house edge slowly chipped away at my system..... Yes, this is that system.

You guys have to understand something,....what we are doing here at this forum is no different from what baccarat system players have been doing for YEARS.....as I was losing my $500k back....there was a french guy there that told me he's been playing baccarat for 20 years....and made systems that worked for up to 4-5 years, that would STILL eventually lose! I did NOT believe him...nor did I think my system had his systems' same fate....

I am telling you people, there is no way to beat this game long term.....not trying to be negative....just being realistic....if that offends you? Then you are a gambler, not a realist. I was a gambler...and too ignorant by the success of my system to realize it....

Losing the $500k plus the $30k I started with did not effect my financial situation or put me in the poor house.....but that does NOT mean I will just shrug that experience off, and not try to help others from losing money....thinking they can make a living off of baccarat!

[SRTZEE]

LMFAO again.... gt mustangs??? LOL Can't you beat a cobra??? Obviously not!! Definately not in the same league. My vehicle is on the worlds worst gas guzzlers list and that's before I started adding headers and, too much to mention here. I'm here to talk BAC!!! Specifically to Pitboss since this is his thread. If you want to start your own moral judgement of gambling thread then be my guest. We all know there is no perfect system to win at this game or the casinos wouldn't offer it.

[neverdie14]

LMFAO again.... gt mustangs??? LOL Can't you beat a cobra??? Obviously not!! Definately not in the same league. My vehicle is on the worlds worst gas guzzlers list and that's before I started adding headers and, too much to mention here. I'm here to talk BAC!!! Specifically to Pitboss since this is his thread. If you want to start your own moral judgement of gambling thread then be my guest. We all know there is no perfect system to win at this game or the casinos wouldn't offer it.

I agree....this is about bac.

And whether I start my own topic or not....when the opportunity for me to voice FACTS presents itself, or doesn't present itself I will post. Period.

I'm not talking about the perfect system, I am talking about the FACT that there is no long term system that works. Not at all. Whether pitboss needs me to post here that he should quit when he's ahead or not, I will post.

If I'm banned....I'll create another name....if my ip address is banned? I'll use another network.

I've been there, and the experience is horrible.

Good luck.

[ADulay]

Hey guys,

If you keep talking about cars, Garnabby is going to probably have a fit and start banning people. He's got this thing about cars and for some reason it really bugs him.

Oh yeah, for some reason, I just got banned from Garn's ProBoard on baccarat. Don't know what I did, but it might have put him over the top when I started talking about 40 year old Corvettes I've owned here in some other thread.

AD (my first banning!!! Woo-Hoo!!!)

[Pitboss]

Hello again everyone~!~

Real quick,

I know that most of us are very skeptical about systems. But I wonder then, why are we on this forum, why do we join Baccarat groups, why do we continue to play?

If you are unable to study and learn from EVERYONE, especially those of us not trying to sell you anything, then really....what's the point? lol (just venting)

Anyway, I saw a comment stating that runs of 4,5, and 6 will kill this method. Maybe you're right or maybe you need to study more.
There's a book---Secrets of winning Baccaratby Brian D. Kayser, this is one of the best books I have ever read on Baccarat, and his method is pretty good.

I am in no way affiliated with him, just saying!

In this book he states something that I couldn't believe until I started watching more and more Baccarat tables.

Working in the business gives me an unusual amount of study time, more than the average joe.

Here it is:
There about 80 decisions/hands per shoe
Now most players track with the scorecard horizontally (sorry Ellis )

HORIZONTALLY:

Like the top box above.

-That first line will always be P,B,P or B,P,B repeating until the end of the shoe.
**there will be around 40 entries on that line**

-The second line or 2 in a rows/repeats of TWO.
**there will be around 20 entries on that line**

-The third line or 3 in a rows/repeats of THREE.
**there will be around 10 entries on that line**

-The fourth line or 4 in a rows/repeats of FOUR.
**there will be around 5 entries on that line**

-The fifth line or 5 in a rows/repeats of FIVE.
**there will be around 3 entries on that line**

-The sixth line or 6 or more in a rows/repeats.
**will only happen about 1-2 times per shoe**

If you add up the total entries--Voila!!! 80 hands!!! Grab some used scorecards after players get up or count yourself on the screen. It will work out nearly everytime this way!!

Ok...so what the hell does this mean?

That the method I am using will work because even after a run of four, where I would lose 4 units...there will be 4 times as many chances to recover and win my +4 units.

Anyways...I hope this helps a little to anyone with questions, comments, or skepticism!!

Still working....

[Joker]

hey neverdie.. trying your system.. but i am waitng for long time and doesn't happy... how long do you usualy wait?

i mean last part.. 6 and same suit and other side has to be 3 cards

[graylove]

Testing The Pitboss system and after playing 20 shoes I am up 16.6 units after loses and commissions. Best shoe was +18.3 units and worst shoe was -8.7 units. Im playing it the way be said on his 1st post on this thread. I not using stop points. I am playing out the whole shoes just to see how it performs. Maybe Ellis is right about putting in a little twist of his to improve this. Not the greatest gain per shoe, but anything that can beat the house gets my approval. I will test this some more since it is ahead right now. Good post Pitboss. We meed more posts like this

[ayuinca]

Let me do more test on such system. My program produced 30,000 shoes and sum up nS. nS means 1 Streak, 2 Streak, ..., n Streak of P and B. Here is the statistice:

N'S Statistics
1s: 559186
2s: 276855
3s: 136156
4s: 66892
5s: 33136
6s: 16327
7s: 8068
8s: 4067
9s: 1966
10s: 1001
11s: 417
12s: 238
13s: 111
14s: 54
15s: 26
16s: 13
17s: 5
18s: 6
19s: 2
20s: 0
21s: 0
22s: 0
23s: 0
24s: 0
25s: 0
26s: 0
27s: 1
28s: 0
29s: 0
1S of Player: 283579
1S of Banker: 275607
2S of Player: 138071
2S of Banker: 138784
3S of Player: 67202
3S of Banker: 68954
4S of Player: 32329
4S of Banker: 34563
5S of Player: 15909
5S of Banker: 17227
>=6S of Player: 15071
>=6S of Banker: 17231

Let me try the maths and disregard the banker commission.
The bet starts at 2S, so 1S bet nothing. 2S start to bet to discontinue the streak. I take PP, PPP, PPPP,... for example and bold font as win bet.

Win Lost Net Bet Example
1S 0 0 0 P
2S 276855 0 276855 PPB1 w 1
3S 136156 0 136156 PPP1B2 w 1
4S 0 133784 -133784 PPP1P2B1 w -2
5S 0 99408 -99408 PPP1P2P1B1 w -3
6S 0 65308 -65308 PPP1P2P1P1B1 w -4
7S 0 24204 -24204 PPP1P2P1P1P1B1 w -3
8S 0 8134 -8134 PPP1P2P1P1P1P1B1 w -2
9S 0 1966 -1966 ... w -1
10S 0 0 0 ... w 0
11S 417 0 417 ... w 1
12S 476 0 476 ... w 2
13S 333 0 333 ... w 3
14S 216 0 216 ... w 4
15S 130 0 130 ... w 5
16S 78 0 78 ... w 6
17S 35 0 35 ... w 7
18S 48 0 48 ... w 8
19S 18 0 18 ... w 9
...
27S 17 0 17 ... w 17

Total: 81975

Ok, before commission we have 81,975 net win units for those 30,000 shoes. Now the commission for 2S, 3S, 4S, 5S, 6S.... are:

(1) For nS of Player:
2S Comm. 6,903.55 (138071*0.05)
3S Comm. 6,720.20 (67202*0.05*2)
4S Comm. 1,616.45
5S Comm. 795.45
>=6S Comm. 753.55

Total Comm. 16789.20

(2) For nS of Banker:
commission exist from 6S of Banker. However I did not include the codes into the program to find out how many >=6S of Banker. Here I just calculate it approxmately as that Banker nS is half of the total nS.

Commission (approx.)
6S Banker is about: 8164 408.175
7S Banker is about: 4034 403.4
8S.....................: 2034 305.025
9S.....................: 983 196.6
10S....................: 501 125 .125
11S....................: 209 62.55
12S....................: 119 41.65
13S....................: 56 22.2
14S....................: 27 12.15
15S....................: 13 6.5
16S....................: 7 3.575
17S....................: 3 1.5
18S....................: 3 1.95
19S....................: 1 0.7

Total : 1,591.65

By now the net win is 81,975-16,789.20-1,591.65= 63,594.15
So if my calculation is correct approx. 2.1 unit per shoe. Not Bad!

PS. Don't worry about how come the 30,000 shoes. The program is valid to produce random shoes by random the cards order then play the cards according to Bac rules including burnt cards and cut.

Attention: there is mistake on calculating 4S and 5S above. Please disregard those calculation. I will try update it on later post. Thanks.

[ayuinca]

I have a mistake on calculate >=6S Player commission which should not be included since it's a lost on the Banker to terminate the nS Player. So we save 753.55 and the net win should be 64,347.7, while still about 2.1 units per shoe. In fact the Banker nS commissions should be more than the approx. Let's just say 2 units per shoe.

Please check the calculation if there is other mistake, thanks and thank Pitboss for sharing the idea here.