Pitboss: I Beat Baccarat! (Free Strategy Here)

[TheNatural9]

Don't change the system. Use the 2 or 3 bet stop loss then when you have a paper win, you play the same system you started with.
If you start with TB4L and lose 2 or 3 bets in a row, follow the shoe using TB4L using paper bets and when you win a paper bet, you continue with TB4L and bet real money after the paper win. If you lose 2 or 3 in a row again, you obviously picked the wrong system for this shoe so stop betting and wait for a new shoe.

Same with OTB4L, bet it like above using the paper wins when you lose 2 or 3 in a row.

You only need these two systems to beat every shoe ever dealt. The problem is which do we play on which shoe.

Ellis is going to teach us all how to pick the correct system to play before many hands are dealt or by looking at the tote boards.

thank you.. but as we know shoe is very unpredictable....

anything can' happen any time.. you change the system and all of the sudden shoe go against the change...

[Action]

This looks like a solid way to play Pitboss however it does lose to streaks/ streaky shoes. You have to grind it out, i guess. Anyone here have any ideas on how we can improve on this way of play so that we don't lose to streaks of 4,5,or 6 or at least recover quicker when we hit those streaks. Thanks.

[Archer]

Ah yes, the stop-loss! Well the most I would allow myself to lose was 12 units. I believe it truly depends on your bankroll and the time it takes your fuse to ignite!!! Lol, I started with 20 units/$500, and stopped whenever I was down 8 units and move to another shoe. No sense in grinding out a bad shoe when there r so many good ones.

Good going Pit boss! I mean that. Always nice to get a win. Please quit while you are ahead playing this. Sorry to weigh in so late. This just proves that any method can win at any time and that winning streak can continue for quite a while. For the heck of it I just ran the last ten shoes I played with this method. I stopped at 4 win but left at -12 lose. Bad idea. I hadn't seen your -8 rule. No matter. The method wins 1 unit on 2's and 3's. Loses 3 units on 4's and breaks even on 5's; wins 1 unit on 6, 2 on 7, etc. So in a "neutral" or average shoe you will break about even depending when the runs hit (early or late). But as soon as you get even one more repeat of 4 than the average it will wipe out your wins on 2's and 3's even if you get the average 9 2's and 4-5 3's. Once in a while you get lucky and get a long streak.

Basically the 4's can and do kill it. Big chop, bang, why stop at 4 units?

Archer

[Archer]

Pit Boss, you definitely have my blessing. I often play this way myself because it is one the most effective and consistent ways of playing I have found. On my forum we call it system OTB4L. It's the first system we teach new members.

There is a little tweaking you can do to make it even more effective. And that mostly concerns using the history of the shoe and the table to determine IF and when to jump on each of the two run types ZZ and straight, separately. You are ALWAYS on TT runs every play automatically.

Once I have confirmed the quality of a table I usually play it U1D2 M2. That's up 1 when you lose , down 2 when you win, always bet 2 after 1. I play it to +20 with a stop loss of -8. If those parameters do not hold up you are either playing the wrong table or the wrong system for that particular table or the wrong day or all three. Find a table where they DO hold up.

I have had a few 100% (winning every shoe) trips playing this system but ALL trips were winners. It can also be played 2 Hi very successfully as many of my players prefer.

It works best on new cards. PitBoss, if you are or were actually a pit boss, you'll know why.

When I find myself at a really hot table I'll move up to U1D1 M3 B2. Thats up 1 down 1 base at 2 with a Mandatory 3 after the 2, win or lose. Now you can play to +30. You'll find that the more you play this system the better you get at it. You'll learn a few tweaks of your own!

Nat 9, you don't lose to runs if you play them as I have outlined here but I'm just skimming the rules here. I'm not trying to give you complete playing rules. This is PitBoss' thread.

I'm just telling you guys you should be paying attention this time rather than trying to Garnabee this guy. He's telling it like it is and is an asset to this forum. This is the first winning system I've seen posted on this forum that anyone can learn to play. Bac Kid? Maybe some can learn his way.

There is nothing that would do my heart more good than see one or some of you guys start winning consistently and prove to your own satisfaction that this game can, in fact, be beat in spite of Garnabee's posturings and others.

I guess I shouldn't be saying all this on a competitor forum. But you guys stopped being competitors a long time ago and have degenerated to mere detractors. Get back up on your feet. Go out and win. It CAN be done. PitBoss' numbers above are real! I know.

You are such a joker Ellis! Anyone who has played this through a decent number of shoes realizes that this is not even an optimum method of play. It is NOT quite OTBL either because he plays TBL after a losing 4.

However - it is not totally without merit if you get lucky and run into a lot of choppy shoes. No offense PitBoss, you are on the right track IMO.

First of all you are leaving out the 1's. There are more 1's in a shoe than any other runs (18). TBL wins these. The OTBL wins the 2's (about 9). TBL breaks even on 3's (about 4) and wins all 4's, 5's, etc. So TBL may be better at being your default method.

But TBL does not win over OTBL but it loses less overall. That's important.

We can always guess at a table trends and play either one. But if we start with an optimum strategy we may have the best of both worlds. Allow me to offer a method of play. I will give some rules. These are what I consider to be basic rules. Flat bet at first. Later you can use a prog if you want.

Base Mode:
Play TBL as default.
When lose to a 2 switch to OTBL until lose.
We will lose to a TBL and then switch back to TBL.

Rule 1: Anytime we see a run of 1 on a side followed by a run of 2 or more on the other side we stop play until the side with that run of 1 either repeats or chops back. Ex: PPP B PP stop betting Bank.

The only other thing we need to do to win is to decide to either play Follow Last Decision (FLD) or Opposite Last Decision (OLD) after losing to a run of 3 or more. I say 3 and not 2 because if we have a 2 we should be in OTBL mode and betting that. How do we do that? Maybe we do nothing or we guess, LOL. But we could use an intelligent guess by regarding the trend.

Stop Loss, Stop Win, MM, all can help.

This shoe is about neutral. Is a little short of 2's (too bad) and has some of those lone 1's.

Archer

[Joker]

thank you so much for your post.. but can you explain with word.. what we need to do with bet?

i don't i understand TBL and stuff.. thanks

[Ellis]

Archer, if you would make a decent post I would respond but you seem to have these shadowy ulterior motives to desroy every post you see. I said nothing about going TB4L. Why are you making stuff up???

Even you must grudgingly agree that straight OTB4L wins half the hands W/O doing anything. As you know perfectly well OTB4l wins on all single 1's. Half of all 1's are single 1's. So fine, you beat half of the 18 1's W/O doing anything but OTB4L. You lose your 1 bet and win your 2 bet.

Now, if you are playing 2Hi you simply look to see if most of the 1's are going to double 1's. If so, that's the way you bet. If not, that's the way you bet.You are trying to add to the 50% you already win automatically.

This isn't rocket science. Why in hell are you being so obtuse? You seem to be afraid somebody might learn something. I recall college students just like you. 1 out of 1000 are out to prove education is useless. But damn Archer, you are of age.

Look, I've been playing this way for 3 years and I have posted every shoe as have others. I've won every trip with several 3 day trips winning every shoe. So I know, first hand, from live casino experience.

You, on the other hand, are making judgements off the top of your head with zero experience. Who should people believe? You seem to be trying to argue that the game is unbeatable. Well excuse me but neither you nor friend Garnabby have a fraction of the experience I have. My advice to you is to shut up and listem instead of arguing every single word I say. Who knows, you might actually learn something.

[Archer]

thank you so much for your post.. but can you explain with word.. what we need to do with bet?

i don't i understand TBL and stuff.. thanks

TBL or TB4L are the same thing. Make a bet that what will ocurr is the same thing as the time before last. So PBP. The second P is TBL. OTBL or OTB4L means just the opposite. So PBPP. So the last P is the opposite of what happened time before last.

A

[Archer]

Interesting how you make a presumption and then begin to answer it. Very weird.

"Even you. . .grudgingly. . .shadowy ulterior motives. . . destroy . . college students just like you .. .out to prove education is useless. . . you seem to be afraid"...ad nauseum. This kind of talk just makes me laugh at you. More Ellis speak. You are the master of bullshit, that's for sure.

Archer, if you would make a decent post I would respond but you seem to have these shadowy ulterior motives to desroy every post you see. I said nothing about going TB4L. Why are you making stuff up???

Even you must grudgingly agree that straight OTB4L wins half the hands W/O doing anything. As you know perfectly well OTB4l wins on all single 1's. Half of all 1's are single 1's. So fine, you beat half of the 18 1's W/O doing anything but OTB4L. You lose your 1 bet and win your 2 bet.

Now, if you are playing 2Hi you simply look to see if most of the 1's are going to double 1's. If so, that's the way you bet. If not, that's the way you bet.You are trying to add to the 50% you already win automatically.

This isn't rocket science. Why in hell are you being so obtuse? You seem to be afraid somebody might learn something. I recall college students just like you. 1 out of 1000 are out to prove education is useless. But damn Archer, you are of age.

Look, I've been playing this way for 3 years and I have posted every shoe as have others. I've won every trip with several 3 day trips winning every shoe. So I know, first hand, from live casino experience.

You, on the other hand, are making judgements off the top of your head with zero experience. Who should people believe? You seem to be trying to argue that the game is unbeatable. Well excuse me but neither you nor friend Garnabby have a fraction of the experience I have. My advice to you is to shut up and listem instead of arguing every single word I say. Who knows, you might actually learn something.

[Ellis]

The real players don't think so Jimske. Note what mreteuya had to say on that subject on my thread Another point of view. I remember how you thought once upon a time before you got involved with these negative guys. I tried to steer you away from card counting but you went that route anyway. Some can only learn the hard way. Don't make the same mistake twice. Good luck and Merry Christmas anyway.

BTW, yes I do have a skinny ass. And a skinny waist - 32" but I weigh 190 and I'm military trained - infantry. But if you beat up a 70 year old man - you lose either way.

[Joker]

Ellis can you share how to win?

[Archer]

The real players don't think so Jimske. Note what mreteuya had to say on that subject on my thread Another point of view. I remember how you thought once upon a time before you got involved with these negative guys. I tried to steer you away from card counting but you went that route anyway. Some can only learn the hard way. Don't make the same mistake twice. Good luck and Merry Christmas anyway.

BTW, yes I do have a skinny ass. And a skinny waist - 32" but I weigh 190 and I'm military trained - infantry. But if you beat up a 70 year old man - you lose either way.

LOL, What a bunch of nonsense you write (except the skinny ass part). More of Ellis' duplicitous double speak - making things up to intimidate and put people on the defensive. Spreading untruths is your specialty Ellis. Better than name calling, huh? Typical Ellis MO. You should have a radio show, lol.

Everything you say about me above is fabricated. You should write for the tabloids! No wonder few respect you!

Anyway I never said I was going to beat you up silly old man - I said I was going to slap you on the head - give you the old Simpson "Doh" for all the idiotic things you say.

Archer

[Joker]

so can we win with this game or not???

[Ellis]

so can we win with this game or not???

Not if you stay here. This forum is a name calling contest. It has nothing to do with Baccarat. You'll learn more about Baccarat on my forum in a single day than you'll learn here in a year. Geez, my computer is down 4 days and I don't miss a single post on this forum. But I'm behind 400 posts on my forum. And every single one of them is about Baccarat.

[Pitboss]

Hello all!!

Wow!! Very flattered from the responses, although not all lol!

Thanks Ellis for your support!

Well now an update:

I just want to reply to the 4,5, & 6 killer runs...scary indeed, but maybe not all of you realize or have found out (by trial and error here) that those runs are not that deadly. They become just part of the program. I have found that runs of 4 or more happen around 5 to 8 times per shoe. When the run goes 5,6, and more...you are betting with this run! So a run of 4 in a row(-3 units) you bet 4 GOES to 5 (-2 units). I believe the reason this is ok, is because your streaks of 2 and 3 will happen at least 2 times as often as the streaks of 4 and more.

I'm not sure why I'm winning still . I get up when I'm up & let's say I do get down 8 to 12 units, which has happened. I get up and move to another table. That's all. Maybe I've been lucky, but I hope that maybe this finds someone that is looking to just try something new and hopefully win!

I haven't quit my job! I blame it on the holidays, but $19,000 up so far! Good luck all of you!!

[neverdie14]

Hello all!!

Wow!! Very flattered from the responses, although not all lol!

Thanks Ellis for your support!

Well now an update:

I just want to reply to the 4,5, & 6 killer runs...scary indeed, but maybe not all of you realize or have found out (by trial and error here) that those runs are not that deadly. They become just part of the program. I have found that runs of 4 or more happen around 5 to 8 times per shoe. When the run goes 5,6, and more...you are betting with this run! So a run of 4 in a row(-3 units) you bet 4 GOES to 5 (-2 units). I believe the reason this is ok, is because your streaks of 2 and 3 will happen at least 2 times as often as the streaks of 4 and more.

I'm not sure why I'm winning still . I get up when I'm up & let's say I do get down 8 to 12 units, which has happened. I get up and move to another table. That's all. Maybe I've been lucky, but I hope that maybe this finds someone that is looking to just try something new and hopefully win!

I haven't quit my job! I blame it on the holidays, but $19,000 up so far! Good luck all of you!!

I beg you, with every cell in my body....two things....do NOT quit your job...and do NOT continue to play your system past winning another $10k if you MUST....

If I were you, at this point, I'd stop at being up $19k and never play baccarat again...

No matter what the system....technique....doesn't matter....it will lose....and if your psychology is that of every human on this planet (for the most part)....you will end up losing more than just your profit back.

Even if your system works for 3 years, 4 years....doesn't matter....the house will catch you.

I am not trying to be negative....but, from a person who has created systems that never lost....systems that netted me over half an M.....and doing so for years....upon years....only to be obliterated by the house eventually....I have to speak out.

There is NO way to avoid the house....even if you change shoes after every ONE bet....the game is designed where it is like all one big EVER changing, EVER aware shoe. Consider the house edge as a conscious entity.....I'm being serious here....you may be able to play "Ninja" on the house edge for an uncanny amount of time...but eventually, it will become aware of your weaknesses,....aware of your style...and exploit you....horribly...when that happens...even if you change your betting style with EACH bet....you will be targeted by the house....you'll almost feel as if the game is now designed to make you and you only lose every bet.....it's beyond mental.....it's reality.....the casinos have more than math on their side.....I don't care what anyone saids......And don't think for a second that it's IMPOSSIBLE for them to add or deplete cards that would DRAMATICALLY alter the edge in their favor.

By all means, PLEASE enjoy the wins....but duly note at ALL times that they are ONLY short lived....

[DAWGPEN]

I have been a long time lurker here and decided to register. I agree to a point with Neverdie. I don't think that any system will win over time. If there was such a system, you would not hear about it on an internet forum.

[DAWGPEN]

I also in my 25 years of gambling never met a gambler that wins consistently. Most are broke and lying to themselves.

[Profbac]

Do any of you folks ever test these litlle mechanical systems over a statistically significant sample. Go to the Gamblers book store and buy the Zuma Publishing Baccarat system tester books. There are two.
There have been several people, myself included, who came up with systems that beat one of the books, the 72 days at the baccarat table.
Then watched those same systems fall apart in the next book 1,000
baccarat shoes.

It is a great exercise to go through. It will also save you a lot os money. You will find out lots of things loke ties don't really rereat, tie bets at the end are as bad as anywhere else etc.

They also have a craps system tester. I came up with a betting progression (only fout steps) that beat the tester. I can't explain why, it just did. You will not see me playing the system with real money.
It was great fun to work through while sitting on an airplane.

[DAWGPEN]

Do any of you folks ever test these litlle mechanical systems over a statistically significant sample. Go to the Gamblers book store and buy the Zuma Publishing Baccarat system tester books. There are two.
There have been several people, myself included, who came up with systems that beat one of the books, the 72 days at the baccarat table.
Then watched those same systems fall apart in the next book 1,000
baccarat shoes.

It is a great exercise to go through. It will also save you a lot os money. You will find out lots of things loke ties don't really rereat, tie bets at the end are as bad as anywhere else etc.

They also have a craps system tester. I came up with a betting progression (only fout steps) that beat the tester. I can't explain why, it just did. You will not see me playing the system with real money.
It was great fun to work through while sitting on an airplane.

The question is has anyone ever created a system that beats all the tests. I think not

[Profbac]

Dawgpen, lets be fair . There are professional gamblers who do make money. They fit into two varieties:

a) Advantage players who uncover a statistical method of identifying those rare opportunities when the player has an advantage over the house. These would include blackjack pros, and pai gow players
banking the game in the California card rooms.
The computer based sports and horse racing gamblers also come to mind.

b) Skilled players who have personally developed abilities to win.
Playing chess for money, golf etc. Certainly there are poker players who are skilled players. Actually, fewer than the public has been lead to believe.

Baccarat would come under the advantage play category, but you
are right. Those in the know are not coming foward.
Hey, look at the Blackjack Pros like Thorpe and Griffin. They only wrote books after they had been exposed and barred by the casinos.

[DAWGPEN]

Dawgpen, lets be fair . There are professional gamblers who do make money. They fit into two varieties:

a) Advantage players who uncover a statistical method of identifying those rare opportunities when the player has an advantage over the house. These would include blackjack pros, and pai gow players
banking the game in the California card rooms.
The computer based sports and horse racing gamblers also come to mind.

b) Skilled players who have personally developed abilities to win.
Playing chess for money, golf etc. Certainly there are poker players who are skilled players. Actually, fewer than the public has been lead to believe.

Baccarat would come under the advantage play category, but you
are right. Those in the know are not coming foward.
Hey, look at the Blackjack Pros like Thorpe and Griffin. They only wrote books after they had been exposed and barred by the casinos.

I am being fair I think. There may be a handful of pro gamblers that found a way to win, maybe. I think anything is possible in this world. BUT no one on any of these forums figured out a way to win or they wouldn't be on here day and night. If I had a way to beat the house do you think I would be searching for answers on the internet? I would be in a casino right now making money. I have known many gamblers over the years and the majority of them are broke degenerates.

[Profbac]

Dawgpen, you raise two subjects worht talking about.

1. Why would a professional be on these forums:
Creativity requires a willingness to look at other ideas.
I haven't read anything here that works. However, I have read some interesting ideas that have lead me to explore adjustments to what I am doing.

Professional baccarat is limited by the simple fact that there are only a few good places to play. See my comments on the thread Going Pro.
I play two to three weeks a month. It is drudgery. I do keep a part time job for lots of good reasons. I also have a wife and children who rely on me
to support them. I don't expose them to this world (my wife knows and
approves because she sees the money)

2. Most professional gamblers are broken degenerates.
Unfortunately, you are largely correct.
See the discussion under the thread maintaining disciplie.

[ADulay]

. However, I have read some interesting ideas that have lead me to explore adjustments to what I am doing.

Finally!! Somebody gets it!!

Everybody reading this forum most probably won't find the "Holy Grail" of baccarat here, but you may find something that may help you see something you've missed or see another way of doing whatever it is you're trying now.

No one will come in here and plop down the HG. It's just not going to happen. However, each little piece that comes in may help somebody get to the next level or understand something they didn't know about before.

Glad you brought that up!

AD

[DAWGPEN]

Also, I was a member of Ellis forum. I am no longer a member. I questioned some of his methods and was immediately talked down to by him and bashed by some of his other members.

[Ellis]

Actually Dawgpen I didn't kick you off my site. I recommended YOU quit the site and Baccarat. You don't begin to have the discipline required. Anyone that runs out and loses $40,000 having read one system and before they have any idea how to play even that one system and ignores all cash mgt, just does't get it and is a problem gambler. I want no part of feeding the habit of a problem gambler.

That shoe had a +13 OT count in the 2nd column. That means basic OTB4L which is what you were trying to play won 13 more hands than it lost by play 35. It continued to do well after that but you should have been already out of the shoe with +20 units at play 35. But somehow you managed to lose. Even if you mistakingly make your prog 2 bets instead of 3, you still win very nicely. But with 3 bets you NEVER lose your 3rd bet all the way to a score of +28 at hand 43. You finally lose your 3rd bet for the first time at play 46. You lose a 4 bet but immediately win your 5 and 3 bets giving you a +27 at play 48. If you choose to stay in the shoe to the end you finish with +33.

This was NOT a back and forth shoe as you described it. The count marched steadilly upward the whole shoe. A back and forth shoe the count hovers Zero giving you perfect net bet conditions. This was a "gift" shoe. How you could possibly lose a +13 count shoe is totally beyond me and all the members. The shoe was never even in the red after play 3.

Then you blame it on me, the shoe, and everything except where the blame squarely belongs - on yourself. We weren't playing the shoe after the fact as you said. No one else had any problem with that shoe whatsoever no matter what rules variation they played.

Name calling doesn't go on my forum. We haven't had a single incidence of that since we kicked Garnabby and Archer off. And by god we are going to keep it that way.

[Ellis]

We are totally unimpressed by wealth on my forum. What DOES impress us is good play. The one thing has nothing to do with the other. We have $100 players and $500 players and even $1000 players. Some of them will be quick to tell you that they had to change their ways and become disciplined players too. Some of them now play full time.

There is no such thing as an undisciplined winner. If you are a wealthy undisciplined player, you won't be wealthy very long. You are the kind of player casinos dream about. I want all my players to be the kind of players that give casinos nightmares!

[DAWGPEN]

Actually Dawgpen I didn't kick you off my site. I recommended YOU quit the site and Baccarat. You don't begin to have the discipline required. Anyone that runs out and loses $40,000 having read one system and before they have any idea how to play even that one system and ignores all cash mgt, just does't get it and is a problem gambler. I want no part of feeding the habit of a problem gambler.

That shoe had a +13 OT count in the 2nd column. That means basic OTB4L which is what you were trying to play won 13 more hands than it lost by play 35. It continued to do well after that but you should have been already out of the shoe with +20 units at play 35. But somehow you managed to lose. Even if you mistakingly make your prog 2 bets instead of 3, you still win very nicely. But with 3 bets you NEVER lose your 3rd bet all the way to a score of +28 at hand 43. You finally lose your 3rd bet for the first time at play 46. You lose a 4 bet but immediately win your 5 and 3 bets giving you a +27 at play 48. If you choose to stay in the shoe to the end you finish with +33.

This was NOT a back and forth shoe as you described it. The count marched steadilly upward the whole shoe. A back and forth shoe the count hovers Zero giving you perfect net bet conditions. This was a "gift" shoe. How you could possibly lose a +13 count shoe is totally beyond me and all the members. The shoe was never even in the red after play 3.

Then you blame it on me, the shoe, and everything except where the blame squarely belongs - on yourself. We weren't playing the shoe after the fact as you said. No one else had any problem with that shoe whatsoever no matter what rules variation they played.

Name calling doesn't go on my forum. We haven't had a single incidence of that since we kicked Garnabby and Archer off. And by god we are going to keep it that way.

LoL, are you kidding? Where do you get the 40k figure from? I never said I lost 40k with any one of your systems. Do you just make up figures? Do you want me to post the conversation on here that we had on your forum? And how do you assume that I only understand one of your systems? Where do you come up with this stuff from? Honestly, I am starting to believe that you are a compulsive liar and living in more of a fantasy then I realized. Ellis, I really do think you need to see a psychologist because you have some major issues upstairs.

Your systems are bunk, just like all the rest of the sytems on the internet. I already knew that your systems most likely did not work when I joined your forum. I was looking for more professional techniques that you claim to know. You claim to know when to play what system for what shoe and in theory it sounds good but it's not reality. You don't even teach us how to do this little trick of yours.

Your forum is filled with multiple systems and multiple variations on each system. The reason you have so many variations is because some of the systems work for a while and then crash.

You tell everyone that any shoe can be beaten with either TB4L or OTB4L which may be true to a degree if you are willing to risk many units. Unfortunately, most people on your forum don't have that kind of bankroll or risk tolerance it would take to do that. You are not going to beat every shoe betting 3 or 4 high. Go run a little test and run straight TB4L on one card and OTB4L on another over multiple shoes and you will see what I mean. Most of the shoes jump back and forth for various lengths. There is no way to set a progression or switches to beat each shoe and/or the majority of shoes.

Please, I don't want to discuss the validity of your systems or methods any more with you. You told me I was just like Archer and Garnabby. I don't know Archer or Garnabby and have nothing to do with the feud you have between them. The bottom line is that when I questioned your methods you insulted me and discredited me. You said I was sick and a problem gambler even though you know nothing about me.

I suggest anyone who is thinking about joining BTC to think twice.

[DAWGPEN]

Actually Dawgpen I didn't kick you off my site.

I never said you kicked me off your site. More fabricated words from you. I also never had any problems with the other members just you because I know what you are.

[Ellis]

I apologize for misquoting you Dawg. I did go back and check and you are absolutely right. You said "thousands", not 40,000. I just read it too fast with eyes too old. I apologize to you and everyone on this forum for making such a stupid blunder.

[Joker]

hello there everyone... and thank you very great informations..

Well, Pitboss glad you are still winning that's great....

but can you really tell us how you are betting? how much you are putting for each unit and what is winning and losing limit?

thank you ... keep winning