Pitboss: I Beat Baccarat! (Free Strategy Here)

[Egalite]

I would like to read what pit boss has to say not what egalite has to say as he does not have as much experience as pit boss himself on this particular system.

How would you know that Tiger? The very first strategy I used playing Baccarat was "AS" (I'm sure you are acquainted with that term), I played that for months on end and made a decent amount of dough from it. I have since played every iteration of "AS" including OLD. so slow down there Tiger don't assume so much, in fact I posted a similar betting method to this one way back in 2004 over at GG. BTW - I was really looking forward to reading the Wizard stuff you eluded too.

[Archer]

How would you know that Tiger? The very first strategy I used playing Baccarat was "AS" (I'm sure you are acquainted with that term), I played that for months on end and made a decent amount of dough from it. I have since played every iteration of "AS" including OLD. so slow down there Tiger don't assume so much, in fact I posted a similar betting method to this one way back in 2004 over at GG. BTW - I was really looking forward to reading the Wizard stuff you eluded too.

OK, so let's move forward and hear how you "made a decent amount of dough from it."

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[Egalite]

Didn't I mentioned I posted "my take" way back in 2004 on GG? You will find the full details somewhere over there with a little effort.

[Archer]

Didn't I mentioned I posted "my take" way back in 2004 on GG? You will find the full details somewhere over there with a little effort.

I don't know whether you mentioned it or not and I am not asking for you to post your "take" just the strategy by which you achieved it. Don't now tell this forum that you want folks to search another website to figure it out. Seems to me with all the time spent here you couldn't spend a little time going over a successful method for the sake of participants.

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[Egalite]

I don't know whether you mentioned it or not and I am not asking for you to post your "take" just the strategy by which you achieved it. Don't now tell this forum that you want folks to search another website to figure it out. Seems to me with all the time spent here you couldn't spend a little time going over a successful method for the sake of participants.

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Are you serious? Why deprive the "for those half-arsed & interested, lazy crew" from a chance doin' some homework (groundwork/research). God forbid we end up with a board full of idiots posting "please me too (wipe my arse while your at it)" type messages. Those that are interested will dig it out, those that can't be arsed won't. How I used it is clearly explained, "my take" should be well known, interestingly enough I've read somebody else played the same way over the Wizard's site (he submitted a Q&A).

[Archer]

Are you serious? Why deprive the "for those half-arsed & interested, lazy crew" from a chance doin' some homework (groundwork/research). God forbid we end up with a board full of idiots posting "please me too (wipe my arse while your at it)" type messages. Those that are interested will dig it out, those that can't be arsed won't. How I used it is clearly explained, "my take" should be well known, interestingly enough I've read somebody else played the same way over the Wizard's site (he submitted a Q&A).

LOL. After reading such as above and most of what you write I am convinced that you are actually what you despise. Just another phony. I really feel a little sorry for people like you who are obviously full of bitterness and contempt for others. Spending a lot of time with self righteous dribble and not really making a contribution to the goals of this group. You are real long on puffing yourself up, acting like you know it all but real short on actual contribution. You are sounding more and more like Garnabby!

This strategy of Pit Boss' is simple enough to play and explain and is worthy of study as a stand alone method or a springboard to more aggressive methods. I've already explained on this thread how I use it and offered my suggestions on how to make it a viable winning method. If one is the kind of player who is satisfied with a slow low unit grind method this could be for them. Enjoy.

Archer

[Bobbybones]

Really enjoying this thread and would like to pose a question.

Average shoe has:
9 - 2’s = +9u
4.5 – 3’s = +4.5u
2.25 – 4’s = -9u
1.125 – 5’s = -3.375u
.5625 – 6’s = -1.125
.28125 – 7’s = 0u
.140625 – 8’s = .140625u

I'm not a math guy but I'm assuming Archer is correct with the above numbers. If on average a run of four occurs 2.25 times per shoe and you see the run of four occur 3 times. Would that be a good trigger to start betting the system, hoping to avoid another run of four. I fully realize that every hand is like a coin toss and that anything can happen and there could be 8 runs of four or more .

Any thoughts

Thanx Bones

[tomla]

there can be several variations on this im sure!! but as to your question if your casino has ez bac w a marquee or tote board after 2-- 4 plus is perf time to jump in as its more rare to get 4 in a row of 4 plus but it does happen

[Archer]

Really enjoying this thread and would like to pose a question.

Average shoe has:
9 - 2’s = +9u
4.5 – 3’s = +4.5u
2.25 – 4’s = -9u
1.125 – 5’s = -3.375u
.5625 – 6’s = -1.125
.28125 – 7’s = 0u
.140625 – 8’s = .140625u

I'm not a math guy but I'm assuming Archer is correct with the above numbers. If on average a run of four occurs 2.25 times per shoe and you see the run of four occur 3 times. Would that be a good trigger to start betting the system, hoping to avoid another run of four. I fully realize that every hand is like a coin toss and that anything can happen and there could be 8 runs of four or more .

Any thoughts

Thanx Bones

One nice thing about this method IS that it is easy to see what is going on. Since this game, IMO, boils down to good guessing (identifying trends), and MM we would definitely observe the shoe and make bet selection on what is happening - like seeing more 4's and few 2's. The key is to get out of games that are not going your way with small win or small loss. The good games that stay conforming to the method (lots of 2's and 3's) will come if you have patience. Note that the first thing that pit boss said was, "Get Up!" Most games will be a mixed bag.

I ran the 52 shoes with a simple fixed MM stop loss and stop win and was able to increase the win rate a half unit a shoe to about 1 unit a shoe net. Good win for a low frequency low unit method. Still I wouldn't play it mechanical. There are times when I would NOT make the 2 unit bet for instance. MM again. If I wasn't doing well I might skip the bet or bet 1 unit. Conversely if the shoe was going well I would likely press some of those wins with slightly larger bets.

Above Swami made the point of using a Fib. That changes the whole game. He is quite correct that this method loses played mechanical. But a progression does NOT make a negative game into a positive one. It still would require MM to win.

My suggestion for new players would be to download a Baccarat game and play live with a scorecard that you will use in a casino and practice. See if you can maximize wins and minimize losses.

Archer

[swami]

I do not know if one should become involved in these disputes or not. Probably not. Egalite has been my friend for many years. He is very opinionated and is very quick to reply and does not spare the rod. Diplomatic he is definitely not. But I have always judged him on his friendship with me and on his baccarat knowledge which IMHO is greater than anyone else's that I have ever come across. Yes, he can be very abrasive and he will always call it like he sees it. But he also takes a lot of time trying to help and sharing his baccarat knowledge with all in a very selfless manner, and it is great material.

If one wants to become a better and more knowledgable bac player, you would do well to look at his posts on GG as well as his posts here. It is like do not confuse the messenger with the message. In Egalite's case, the shared knowledge for me has been a real gift in developing me as a player. He may well rub you the wrong way, and, I am sure, may offend. Each punter needs to decide for himself whether Egalite's information is worth having.

On the other hand, I also have respect for Archer's bac knowledge, although I know of him little. I also apoligize for butting into something that is not my business, and for sure, Egalite does not need help from me in any way. And, I also apoligize if I have offended anyone by interfering. My point in doing this is only to emphasize the value of Egalite bac knowledge and hope that it continues. love, swami

I would add that there is no such thing as an average shoe when you are playing. Each shoe will do its own thing, and has no idea about average, and that is a problem when playing a system like this. I have played one shoe that had 9 runs of 3 and one of 4. I have played another shoe that had 6 runs of four or more, and only one run of three. You cannot guess anything about a shoe. And any shoe can give you a string of losses that you have never seen before. You can only have a plan that is effective over many hundreds or thousands of decisions and will get you thru the wild variances. And, of course, your MM will be crucial to getting you thru the tough times. A single bet has very little importance, and whether you win that bet or lose it makes little difference in the overall picture. It is just one event out of hundreds. I see punters sweating out a bet that they "must win." This puts pressure on you and makes correct decisions difficult. If you get into that situation, it is time to take a break and regroup. When you play a system like this, and the doo is coming up to your knees, where will you go?

This is one reason I like charting the game shoe with B and P and also using a grid. I have two references and when the game shoe is becoming bizarre and a loser, I have the grid to stabilize the flow of bizarre decisions that the game shoe is offering. Maintaining equilibrium in this game is paramount to good discipline, and discipline is the main factor to profit. And learning it is not easy and is done only thru experience which makes it very difficult for the Newbie to ever win. love, swami

[Archer]

I have a lot of doubt about this system, because I cannot discern any reason for it to be a winner. I know that kitchen table testing means very little as the sample tested is way to small to have significance. So, I took out my 3 grid charts and played the system this way: Wait for a double bb or pp. Two stage Marty against. If I lost this, I bet one unit on the run. So, if the result were BBBB p The count would be
-4, and the betting on this series complete. I never bet the run to continue. So, the end of the attack would be +1 or -2 or -4.

I charted 25 shoes using the 3 grid with the following result: six shoes won a total of 33 units. Ninteen shoes LOST a total of 150 units. The winning shoes range was 4-4-5-5-5-10. The losing shoes ran from -1 to -26 units. If I bet the negative side, I would have won about 4.6 units a shoe before commission. HA, if this would only hold up, we have the Grail!!! love, swami

PS: do not get your hope up, a test this size means very, very little, but may show promise.

Wow, -7 units a shoe for 19 shoes - pretty very streaky shoes (drool!). No grail - doesn't exist. In the final analyses we will ALWAYS have to make bigger bets to overcome our losses. MM. Suggestion: Plug in a stop win/loss of your choosing and see where it goes in those shoes. I did that - in my second trial for fun. Quit shoe if: hit -4 before going up to +4. If you hit +4 quit if you get down to +1 with 1 unit win. If you get over +4 quit if you go down 2 units from your highest point. Given those big losses you will likely still lose that set but likely not nearly as much. Also, one way to start a shoe is to flat bet the first bet that 2<2 and if we are not at least holding our own either switch the method and give that a try or quit.

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[Archer]

Egalite, if you got anything better let's hear it. If not (which is likely) shut your trap and go back to your favorite pastime - hassling Gr8.

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[tomla]

its not by bread and butter anymore but ive done consistantly well with the pitboss strategy minus the follow the last decision after a loss,, ive used regular labbys, specialized labbys etc like the martingale labby etc etc---usually average about 6 units a shoe after figuring in the times where i get stuck and have to play 2 or three shoes to clear out a problem......never lost w it actually on mechanical machines and ez bacc....all my troubles have come on regular mini bac games but nothing too severe.......gr8 progression actually works pretty well on it without the marty......

[Tom]

I have been reading a book called "SECRET OF WINNING BACCARAT" by Brian D. Kayser. As I read posts of Pitboss, if I am right, he made his own style from the strategies learned from the book.

I got my own style, I am going to test it tmr in landCasino.
Strategy: bet row of 2 only that doesn't go row of 3.
BR: $1000, unit: $25. MM: gr8player's progression. Win stop per shoe +4 - +8 . Lose stop per shoe - 20 per shoe.
win goal for the day: +20 units

Whether win or loss, I'll post the shoes that I'll have played and my results.

Tom

[Tom]

Violated my plan. Result: lost my BR.

Tom

[grassshopper]

can you give us an example of how you bet? you mentioned bet row of 2, do you mean bet BB bet P ? if it goes to BBB do you just wait for a new column?

[jiahor]

I have been reading a book called "SECRET OF WINNING BACCARAT" by Brian D. Kayser. As I read posts of Pitboss, if I am right, he made his own style from the strategies learned from the book.

I got my own style, I am going to test it tmr in landCasino.
Strategy: bet row of 2 only that doesn't go row of 3.
BR: $1000, unit: $25. MM: gr8player's progression. Win stop per shoe +4 - +8 . Lose stop per shoe - 20 per shoe.
win goal for the day: +20 units

Whether win or loss, I'll post the shoes that I'll have played and my results.

Tom

hi
Tom
you can try, bet only after you saw 4 row and above after 5 times, stop loss -2

[Tom]

can you give us an example of how you bet? you mentioned bet row of 2, do you mean bet BB bet P ? if it goes to BBB do you just wait for a new column?

just wait for BB bet P or
PP bet B.

It should reasonable to give you a win of 2 units per shoe, but it takes a lot of patience though.

I lost cus i lost my patience and started betting randonly, I reached a 2 units win flat betting even though the shoe was very streaky. Bit I continue playing cus my win exit per shoe was 4 units and then I lost it back, finished the shoe with - 2 units.

Tom

[tommychicoutimi]

hi everyone;
i am new member to the forum...

i have some of method i think i can beat casino...but i dont have time to test it...pls everyone test it and give me a feadback thanks.

the following is the method


A. there is 8 ways b/p apear in a row

1. bbb
2 bbp
3 bpb
4 pbb
5 ppp
6 ppb
7 pbp
8 bpp

have ever u c in lotary, there are a repeat of 3 numbers in next draw.

for xample

if the series of 123456 come then next series if 1( bbb ) come... i will play not 2(bbp) and not 3(bpb) that mean I will play 6 hand or less untill I hit 1 without loss.

is it true ? pls make a test and feadback thanks

[daytrader]

hi everyone;
i am new member to the forum...

i have some of method i think i can beat casino...but i dont have time to test it...pls everyone test it and give me a feadback thanks.

the following is the method


A. there is 8 ways b/p apear in a row

1. bbb
2 bbp
3 bpb
4 pbb
5 ppp
6 ppb
7 pbp
8 bpp

have ever u c in lotary, there are a repeat of 3 numbers in next draw.

for xample

if the series of 123456 come then next series if 1( bbb ) come... i will play not 2(bbp) and not 3(bpb) that mean I will play 6 hand or less untill I hit 1 without loss.

is it true ? pls make a test and feadback thanks

huh? can you explain that again?

[tommychicoutimi]

ok

if there is 1st of 18 draw bbb bbp bpb 4 5 6 then next 3 draw is bbb

I will play next 6 draw ppb pbp is it 100% I will hit 1 win ?

[fauzy]

just wait for BB bet P or
PP bet B.

It should reasonable to give you a win of 2 units per shoe, but it takes a lot of patience though.

I lost cus i lost my patience and started betting randonly, I reached a 2 units win flat betting even though the shoe was very streaky. Bit I continue playing cus my win exit per shoe was 4 units and then I lost it back, finished the shoe with - 2 units.

Tom

BBB no bet, ppp no bet BP,Pb no bet only pair bet

[fauzy]

just wait for BB bet P or
PP bet B.

It should reasonable to give you a win of 2 units per shoe, but it takes a lot of patience though.

I lost cus i lost my patience and started betting randonly, I reached a 2 units win flat betting even though the shoe was very streaky. Bit I continue playing cus my win exit per shoe was 4 units and then I lost it back, finished the shoe with - 2 units.

Tom

2s win, 3s lose,you wait long time ,if you lose 3s two sets can you still wait.

[daytrader]

2s win, 3s lose,you wait long time ,if you lose 3s two sets can you still wait.

I got see now. Problem is, just like any other method, works some of the time, other times no. I see many shoes with clusters of 8 to 9 in a row. IE: pppp-bbb-ppp-bbb-pppp-bbbbb-ppp-bbbb. even flat betting, -8 units right out of the gate. then throw in some single p's and b's and could make for some long, non-profitable shoes.

[bolasutra]

One Chanel Auntie often played near RWS escalator played Pitboss Method. If you know which auntie I am talking about, please raise your hand up!

[gobrandon]

One Chanel Auntie often played near RWS escalator played Pitboss Method. If you know which auntie I am talking about, please raise your hand up!

Hello Bolasutra how are you? I read about Pitboss Method. It only work when the shoe choppy and hope for a long string in order for Pitboss Method to work. It a very risky method. Hey Bolasutra I won again last night a little strugle but still win the battle. Hey good luck to you man and feel good reading your post again. keep on huat my friend.

Brandon.

[bolasutra]

I am sibei well.

Last nite at rws, I learnt something. All these while, I did not play with stress. I realises it only yesterday. I encountered a chinese guy who bet about $300 unit. Each time he lost, he laugh. When he won, he will hi five an auntie who always tompang him. When he lost, he will laugh but the auntie show a smelly face. Well, if u feel good, u will enjoy and win baccarat.

For Pitboss method, its a mechanical method. But its a good learner method because it teaches the proability of 2s, 3s, 4s,etc. In fact, one of my strategies is a modified pitboss method.

[fauzy]

I got see now. Problem is, just like any other method, works some of the time, other times no. I see many shoes with clusters of 8 to 9 in a row. IE: pppp-bbb-ppp-bbb-pppp-bbbbb-ppp-bbbb. even flat betting, -8 units right out of the gate. then throw in some single p's and b's and could make for some long, non-profitable shoes.

day
if -8 for next shoe you will win +8 also,so do not change system .must be fix.

[fauzy]

I met 2s 6sets,3s 6 sets also..ha ha

[tommychicoutimi]

thanks pitboss for the information....