Thread: Pitboss: I Beat Baccarat! (Free Strategy Here)

Sorry I haven't posted in awhile! However, there's a good reason!

I am currently +$15,000 since October.

I found the most important rule to remember is to GET UP!!!! LOL

Oh, and discipline to not EVER change this strategy.

It was very slow going at first---$100/hour/day. But I wanted to be sure that I could win consistently before I changed my playing time and unit dollar amount.

Well, enough small talk, here's what I did:

1) Waiting for a repeat of either P or B, otherwise known as "2 in a row". I started with a 1 unit bet that it would jump to the other side. So if 2 P's showed, I would bet 1 unit that a B would come next. win= +1 loss= -1

2) If a repeat went to 3 in a row, I bet 2 units that it would jump to the other side. win= +1 loss= -3

3) If a repeat went to 4 in a row, I bet 1 unit that it would repeat to 5. win= -2 loss= -4

4) If it did repeat to 5, I left 1 unit on the repeating side that it would go 6, and continue to let that 1 unit ride until the end of the repeat streak.(5,6,7,8,9,10....hit 18 B's in a row once! +11 units)

5) If the repeats did not go to 5, and jumped after 4, that repeat streak would result in a loss of 4 units. (that's the most you will ever lose in one repeat streak). I would then start over and wait for the "2 in a row" and begin with step 1.

THAT'S IT!!

For those of you that are reading this, you probably know about the basic mathematics behind Baccarat. You probably also know that this is the reason this system works! Grind + Time = Victory for US!!!

The most you press is to 2 units. (step 2)

From my playing time, I have encountered maybe 1 out of 10 shoes that resulted in a loss. Although those losses were very minimal.

I'm still using this strategy and hope to quit my job in January.

Hope this helps you guys out, thanks for reading!!!!

OH VERY IMPORTANT: +4 to +8 units per shoe/LEAVE!! This can happen immediately or you may have to grind it out. I experimented a few times with playing entire shoes and ended up anywhere from +1 to +10 units. But on average it's just not worth the time or risk. I mean a few times I won my 4 units in 3 mins. Lol. GET IN-GET OUT!!

Thanks for sharing.
When you win 4 units, do you walk away, or attempt to win another unit? In attempting to win the fifth unit, one can lose 4 units, unless one stops at the first one unit loss, and lock in 3 units profit.
What is the maximum loss in a shoe you encountered? Is there a stop limit for the number of units lost in a shoe?

Originally Posted by Pitboss

Sorry I haven't posted in awhile! However, there's a good reason!

I am currently +$15,000 since October.

I found the most important rule to remember is to GET UP!!!! LOL

Oh, and discipline to not EVER change this strategy.

It was very slow going at first---$100/hour/day. But I wanted to be sure that I could win consistently before I changed my playing time and unit dollar amount.

Well, enough small talk, here's what I did:

1) Waiting for a repeat of either P or B, otherwise known as "2 in a row". I started with a 1 unit bet that it would jump to the other side. So if 2 P's showed, I would bet 1 unit that a B would come next. win= +1 loss= -1

2) If a repeat went to 3 in a row, I bet 2 units that it would jump to the other side. win= +1 loss= -3

3) If a repeat went to 4 in a row, I bet 1 unit that it would repeat to 5. win= -2 loss= -4

4) If it did repeat to 5, I left 1 unit on the repeating side that it would go 6, and continue to let that 1 unit ride until the end of the repeat streak.(5,6,7,8,9,10....hit 18 B's in a row once! +11 units)

5) If the repeats did not go to 5, and jumped after 4, that repeat streak would result in a loss of 4 units. (that's the most you will ever lose in one repeat streak). I would then start over and wait for the "2 in a row" and begin with step 1.

THAT'S IT!!

For those of you that are reading this, you probably know about the basic mathematics behind Baccarat. You probably also know that this is the reason this system works! Grind + Time = Victory for US!!!

The most you press is to 2 units. (step 2)

From my playing time, I have encountered maybe 1 out of 10 shoes that resulted in a loss. Although those losses were very minimal.

I'm still using this strategy and hope to quit my job in January.

Hope this helps you guys out, thanks for reading!!!!

OH VERY IMPORTANT: +4 to +8 units per shoe/LEAVE!! This can happen immediately or you may have to grind it out. I experimented a few times with playing entire shoes and ended up anywhere from +1 to +10 units. But on average it's just not worth the time or risk. I mean a few times I won my 4 units in 3 mins. Lol. GET IN-GET OUT!!

Streaks of 4 ,5 ,or 6 will kill this method

Pit Boss, you definitely have my blessing. I often play this way myself because it is one the most effective and consistent ways of playing I have found. On my forum we call it system OTB4L. It's the first system we teach new members.

There is a little tweaking you can do to make it even more effective. And that mostly concerns using the history of the shoe and the table to determine IF and when to jump on each of the two run types ZZ and straight, separately. You are ALWAYS on TT runs every play automatically.

Once I have confirmed the quality of a table I usually play it U1D2 M2. That's up 1 when you lose , down 2 when you win, always bet 2 after 1. I play it to +20 with a stop loss of -8. If those parameters do not hold up you are either playing the wrong table or the wrong system for that particular table or the wrong day or all three. Find a table where they DO hold up.

I have had a few 100% (winning every shoe) trips playing this system but ALL trips were winners. It can also be played 2 Hi very successfully as many of my players prefer.

It works best on new cards. PitBoss, if you are or were actually a pit boss, you'll know why.

When I find myself at a really hot table I'll move up to U1D1 M3 B2. Thats up 1 down 1 base at 2 with a Mandatory 3 after the 2, win or lose. Now you can play to +30. You'll find that the more you play this system the better you get at it. You'll learn a few tweaks of your own!

Nat 9, you don't lose to runs if you play them as I have outlined here but I'm just skimming the rules here. I'm not trying to give you complete playing rules. This is PitBoss' thread.

I'm just telling you guys you should be paying attention this time rather than trying to Garnabee this guy. He's telling it like it is and is an asset to this forum. This is the first winning system I've seen posted on this forum that anyone can learn to play. Bac Kid? Maybe some can learn his way.

There is nothing that would do my heart more good than see one or some of you guys start winning consistently and prove to your own satisfaction that this game can, in fact, be beat in spite of Garnabee's posturings and others.

I guess I shouldn't be saying all this on a competitor forum. But you guys stopped being competitors a long time ago and have degenerated to mere detractors. Get back up on your feet. Go out and win. It CAN be done. PitBoss' numbers above are real! I know.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Pit Boss, you definitely have my blessing. I often play this way myself because it is one the most effective and consistent ways of playing I have found. On my forum we call it system OTB4L. It's the first system we teach new members.

There is a little tweaking you can do to make it even more effective. And that mostly concerns using the history of the shoe and the table to determine IF and when to jump on each of the two run types ZZ and straight, separately. You are ALWAYS on TT runs every play automatically.

Once I have confirmed the quality of a table I usually play it U1D2 M2. That's up 1 when you lose , down 2 when you win, always bet 2 after 1. I play it to +20 with a stop loss of -8. If those parameters do not hold up you are either playing the wrong table or the wrong system for that particular table or the wrong day or all three. Find a table where they DO hold up.

I have had a few 100% (winning every shoe) trips playing this system but ALL trips were winners. It can also be played 2 Hi very successfully as many of my players prefer.

It works best on new cards. PitBoss, if you are or were actually a pit boss, you'll know why.

When I find myself at a really hot table I'll move up to U1D1 M3 B2. Thats up 1 down 1 base at 2 with a Mandatory 3 after the 2, win or lose. Now you can play to +30. You'll find that the more you play this system the better you get at it. You'll learn a few tweaks of your own!

Nat 9, you don't lose to runs if you play them as I have outlined here but I'm just skimming the rules here. I'm not trying to give you complete playing rules. This is PitBoss' thread.

I'm just telling you guys you should be paying attention this time rather than trying to Garnabee this guy. He's telling it like it is and is an asset to this forum. This is the first winning system I've seen posted on this forum that anyone can learn to play. Bac Kid? Maybe some can learn his way.

There is nothing that would do my heart more good than see one or some of you guys start winning consistently and prove to your own satisfaction that this game can, in fact, be beat in spite of Garnabee's posturings and others.

I guess I shouldn't be saying all this on a competitor forum. But you guys stopped being competitors a long time ago and have degenerated to mere detractors. Get back up on your feet. Go out and win. It CAN be done. PitBoss' numbers above are real! I know.

I am not detracting this guy good on him for trying he says he has won with it good for him i did 5 shoes with it and hit a streaky set lost over 12 units in one and two broke even one won 9 units so is bout even or little loss on these 5 and 6 decks shoes as well

Ah yes, the stop-loss! Well the most I would allow myself to lose was 12 units. I believe it truly depends on your bankroll and the time it takes your fuse to ignite!!! Lol, I started with 20 units/$500, and stopped whenever I was down 8 units and move to another shoe. No sense in grinding out a bad shoe when there r so many good ones.

Exactly right! Waste no time or money at bad tables. The whole trick of it is finding the right (BEST) table. Then adjust your betting aggression based on the quality of that table. Keep risk at an absolute minimum BUT go for the jugular when they drop their guard. It takes lots of experience and practice but ANYONE can learn to win this way and its NOT the only way! Once you've really got it down pat its amazing how streaky a shoe can get and you still beat it.

Here is an idea...not sure if its worth anything.......I tested a couple of shoes and noticed that when a shoe starts bad, it really gets worse as the shoe goes on ( more consecutive 4 and 5 consecutive P or B's which ruin this method ).

So how about...... if you are down 4 units right away at the beginning of the shoe, then start betting against the method.

If you win the next 4 units betting against the method, leave the shoe with breakeven ( minus a loss of the banker commission. Probably about .30 to .40 of a unit.)

If you lose the next 4 units, then exit the shoe with an 8 unit ( plus B comm ) loss.

Not sure if this will work out in the long tun....just something to think about.

Originally Posted by tomddxx

Here is an idea...not sure if its worth anything.......I tested a couple of shoes and noticed that when a shoe starts bad, it really gets worse as the shoe goes on ( more consecutive 4 and 5 consecutive P or B's which ruin this method ).

So how about...... if you are down 4 units right away at the beginning of the shoe, then start betting against the method.

If you win the next 4 units betting against the method, leave the shoe with breakeven ( minus a loss of the banker commission. Probably about .30 to .40 of a unit.)

If you lose the next 4 units, then exit the shoe with an 8 unit ( plus B comm ) loss.

Not sure if this will work out in the long tun....just something to think about.

Doesn't sound like a great way of playing to me because it just relies on pure luck. Of course if you have played this through a bunch of shoes . . . How many shoes have you played using this method?

Archer

Only tested about 20 shoes.....someone once told me that to thoroughly test a baccarat method in the long run, you need to test 7,000 real time actual shoes to cover all possible eventualities.

So if you play 5 shoes a day, thats about 1,800 shoes a year playing every day, which means you would have to play your method for almost 4 years to find out if your method works...and as John Maynard Keynes observed.....in the long run we're all dead.

It seems that many methods I looked at, for some reason when they go bad in a shoe, they really go bad so why not bet against the method at a certain point.......but its just a thought I threw out there.

Guys, you have to know the WHOLE system before you can test and you can't test on a pile of shoes. You want to select choppy tables for this system. We have an "OT" count method to qualify tables.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Guys, you have to know the WHOLE system before you can test and you can't test on a pile of shoes. You want to select choppy tables for this system. We have an "OT" count method to qualify tables.

What's the OT count Ellis? Guessing it is O for OTBL and T for TBL?

A

Originally Posted by tomddxx

Only tested about 20 shoes.....someone once told me that to thoroughly test a baccarat method in the long run, you need to test 7,000 real time actual shoes to cover all possible eventualities.

So if you play 5 shoes a day, thats about 1,800 shoes a year playing every day, which means you would have to play your method for almost 4 years to find out if your method works...and as John Maynard Keynes observed.....in the long run we're all dead.

It seems that many methods I looked at, for some reason when they go bad in a shoe, they really go bad so why not bet against the method at a certain point.......but its just a thought I threw out there.

You could probably develop a Standard Deviation with a 95% chance of having an accurate statistic with far less shoes. I'm no mathematician but I think 3000 shoes could do it if my memory is correct.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

What's the OT count Ellis? Guessing it is O for OTBL and T for TBL?

A

Right +1 for 0 and -1 for T.

Originally Posted by Archer

You could probably develop a Standard Deviation with a 95% chance of having an accurate statistic with far less shoes. I'm no mathematician but I think 3000 shoes could do it if my memory is correct.

A

Right, I've never seen results change more than 1% PA after 1000 shoes but its still completely useless without table selection.

Best you could do on computer is sort your shoes based on the first col and play the last 3 cols but thats a far cry from real table selection. We go by the actual casino results of many players who all know good table selection technique.

The Zumma testers are out of sequence and favor streak so test results using them are completely meaningless. They were recorded during the streak era.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Right +1 for 0 and -1 for T.

And the c/s count? Chop/streak?

The implication of counts, whetehr OT or c/s or whatever, by thier existence suggest that shoes change! Nothing new there. So it holds that these counts or any others only work if the shoe changes with that switch. But then he states that shoe generally stay the same. Ellis has stated emphatically that it is a 50-50 game and that one decision has no advantage over the next to appear. It logically then follows that the count is meaningless - a guess at best.

Unless there exists a PREDICTABLE MATHEMATICAL BIAS (as in blackjack, for instance) in the game we are down to lucky guesses.

E. Clifton Davis' whole premise is based on "shoes usually stay the same" throughout; same shoes tend to repeat. Play what you see on the tote board. Stuff like that.

Okay, I will not argue the above. If Ellis and others believe, that is their right. That stuff can and does work for some - 1 out of 4000 Ellis states.

Caveat Emptor

Just a thought. How can it work for some and not the others?

Hi Pitboss, Ellis, Archer and eveyone,


I highly appreciated your participation on my 'Series on Baccarat Winning Strategies'.

I think we need more new threads on my Series to teamwork and benefit all of us. Afterall, this is the core idea of Baccaratforums which I salute highly from Malaysia.

I think Pitboss' system is a great system, as I have been using it for the last few months in Malaysia. It works best on choppy games and what Ellis' idea on matching a system on a right shoe does make sense to me! The man is a real professional, I would humble myself to listen to his ideas more.

I think Tomddxx's idea of working against it whenever it does not work does make sense, too. The only thing is when it works again, we would need to adjust back to Pitboss' system.

Natural 9 made sense too, on his cautions of streaks 4, 5, 6..

Archer's quest for tweaking and so on ...make him a good contributors...
Archer: thanks for your contributions on improving on my Second Liners, perhaps I will send you a private message to discuss on my personal questions to learn from my American Guru, ok?

The rest of us are all playing good roles, too.

I think we have something to celebrate as we need not have to see things eye to eye and yet able to achieve great teamwork by walking together side by side and see things side by side to cover and complement each other......

Well done, folks....


Best & Kind Regards,

JohnMalaysia

Originally Posted by JohnMalaysia

Hi Pitboss, Ellis, Archer and eveyone,


I highly appreciated your participation on my 'Series on Baccarat Winning Strategies'.

I think we need more new threads on my Series to teamwork and benefit all of us. Afterall, this is the core idea of Baccaratforums which I salute highly from Malaysia.

I think Pitboss' system is a great system, as I have been using it for the last few months in Malaysia. It works best on choppy games and what Ellis' idea on matching a system on a right shoe does make sense to me! The man is a real professional, I would humble myself to listen to his ideas more.

I think Tomddxx's idea of working against it whenever it does not work does make sense, too. The only thing is when it works again, we would need to adjust back to Pitboss' system.

Natural 9 made sense too, on his cautions of streaks 4, 5, 6..

Archer's quest for tweaking and so on ...make him a good contributors...
Archer: thanks for your contributions on improving on my Second Liners, perhaps I will send you a private message to discuss on my personal questions to learn from my American Guru, ok?

The rest of us are all playing good roles, too.

I think we have something to celebrate as we need not have to see things eye to eye and yet able to achieve great teamwork by walking together side by side and see things side by side to cover and complement each other......

Well done, folks....


Best & Kind Regards,

JohnMalaysia

Hi john

Im from malaysia too
This only works in choppy shoes,but at time shoes pattern will changes after a certain time so need to hit the right time depends on your luck too.But to what i know i rather follow the pattern then to opp it cause kind of risky as i met before a long dragon before.
What i normally do is using 1,1,2,2,4,4 units betting meaning to say if i hit 1unit i will go to 1unit again if i win again i go to 2unit and so go,if lose i go 1 step back from this is slow but i find it stable then double up ur units and losing them in long run if u cannot recover.
Lastly i like ur comments on the second liners me too also play that way
What i found out on the tie bet i saw when i was betting on online casino there is this fellow keep aiming the tie bet he made so much money that single shoe im not sure whether is luck with him maybe is the shoe that he choose right.But what i found is when a tie comes normally within the next few hands it will come again depends how u look at the graph.

Some of you guys are just arguing semantics. When I say trends seldom change within a shoe I'm talking about the general trend. And I'm NOT just talking chop /streak (c/s). There ARE other trends. But lets use chop streak since exeryone that plays knows what that means. We know we are going to get choppy sections in a streaky shoe and vice versa. That's why your system is designed to handle that as OTB4L is. You don't just sit there like a zombie and bet against an 8 in a row. Whenever you lose two bets in a row it is ALWAYS against a 4 in a row either straight or ZZ. At that point you won 2 bets and lost 2 bets against that event and you have several choices. Among those you can simply wait for the run to end and continue on betting OTB4L. But if you've been seeing most of the straight 4s going to 5 you would bet OTR on the run. If you lose you are back to OTB4L automatically. If you win you completed your prog right there and you're back to a 1 bet. Now you are back to the same decision again. Do I stay on the run or go back to OTB4L. You decide the same way. Am I seeing most 5s go to 6 or more or not. But if you decide to stay otr for 2 bets, its best to stay there until you lose.

You decide ZZ runs the same way but separately. You may be playing a shoe high in ZZs but low in straights or vice versa.

I usually end up playing only one bet on straight runs while I stay on ZZs until I lose. That's because I always select a choppy table to begin with.

To give you an idea lets say you have a 4 in a row straight. OK you just lost a 1,2 regardless of whether you are playing 2 Hi or U1D2. It can't be more than that because you can't get a 4 w/O winning at least one bet. Fine the last 4 went to 5 and stayed at 5 so you bet your 3 bet (or your 1 bet if you are playing 2Hi) OTR. If you win you are back to a 1 bet either way. If you lose you are up to a 2 or a 4 OTB4L.

Lets say you win your 3 bet. OK you are back to a 1 bet and since the last run only went 5 you bet OTB4L. If the run stays 5 you win your 1 bet. If it stays 6 you win your 2 bet. if it goes 7 I usually wait for it to end.

You'll win about 83% of your shoes that way. Most of them will be +20 playing U1D2 or +10 playing 2Hi.

Now I suspect that maybe one out of ten of you followed that. That demonstrates precisely why you need to be able to post shoes on a Bac Forum. If ten of you try it, you'll play it ten different ways, guaranteed.

The OTB4L system has what we call "overlap" Yes, its a chop system and will beat all chop shoes. But it also will beat a whole lot of streaky shoes.

See, as soon as I saw somebody say up there that they lost to too many 5s and 6s, I knew they weren't playing right. You CAN'T lose to too many 5s and 6s if you are playing right. 5s and 6s are good! But you've got to be able to post shoes to show how to do this stuff. Right now, you guys are purely guessing. Thats a good way to end up discarding a good system.

Hey BacKid, these guys are so so negative they don't stand a chance. You should go and bet against them. You'd make a fortune.

Does this help?

Originally Posted by Ellis

Hey BacKid, these guys are so so negative they don't stand a chance. You should go and bet against them. You'd make a fortune.

Hello everybody..... Very interesting and very smart people here...

Well, first thing we need to do is focus on system.. and develop them. No time to put them down... Anyhow.... this is great finding and this is the only way actually I made profit.....

It is kind of complicated so I will just give you idea....and I am sure with my idea you can use this system nicely....

okay i will list up

1) use nature... look the wave.. when you see the big wave.. like stock market.. when go up there is down and there are many small ones... but we rarely see 10 big ups and downs.. like did you ever see shoe became like PPPPPPPBBBBBBBBBPPPPPPPPBBBBBBBBBPPPPPPPPBBBBBBBB i have no
it is like PPPPPPPP BB P BP BP BPBP it does happen very often...

2) take advantage of this matter... once big wave hits.. then you get small waves next few.... maybe you should wait for several hands to be sure....


3) I am very unlucky with gambling.. i swear.. but using this type of method I made profit.. this was the only way I made money...

4) Patiency and control yourself is money.. but to me more like impossible.. so difficult for me to do this... like you see great foods in front of you after not eating 3 days... if you have that much decipline then you can do well at casino...

5) know how to lose.. another difficult stuff... if you can do that then you are great....

6) Never bring large bill.. bring ONLY money you can lose and never go back that day...

Well, i believe with pateincy and enough time and enough control you can beat this game.. no problem... We still have to play this game with mathmatics.... what is the chance of shoe to be like this?
BBBBBBBPPPPPPBBBBBBPPPPPBBBBBBPPPPPBBBBPPPPP I go with percentage...

I would bet 25, 50, 100, 200 then that's it... I prefer to bet one time and go home is the best.. i am sure people figure out.. don't know why but it is easy to win first hand.. guess you are energetic and stuff... but if you kept playing then you lose lots.. especially you have large money in your pocket then you will lose all....
so in this case if you can start with 50, 100, 200, 400 total of $750 .. not bad investment.. one month i won 50 hands without losing... so I made $2500.. which is not bad.. but...... I waited for long long time... i almost lived in casino... kind of embarassing to stay there for nothing you know.... Actually I am not too big fan of winning 7 out of 10 shoe stuff... I feel like i have to win every time and if you lose your all the bankroll then that month is over..... come back next month....
because even peple say you will win 7 out 10.. you can hit those 3 losing shoe all the time... yes this system above is great.. i have tested.. and yes still can lose.. especially 4 can kill you... what if you are very good friend with 4's lol.. then you will lose a lot... but again.. finding right table is grat idea.. if you see the shoe is BBBBB PPPPP BBBB PPPP then not soo good.. or you can wait till shoe is cooling down...
For example..,.,,, Early in the shoe there are few streaks come up....

another exmaple.. if you see PPPPPPPPP then more chops will come later

people you realy should take advange of this matter... you will see it... look the shoe today.. you will see exactly what I mean....

Originally Posted by TheNatural9

Does this help?

I guess so! Thank you. I will try and to see if I can do that, lol.

Archer

Originally Posted by TheNatural9

Does this help?

Hell yes it helps! Good work Natural 9. Is there any way to make it bigger? There's got to be.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Hell yes it helps! Good work Natural 9. Is there any way to make it bigger? There's got to be.

Yeah, Ellis, just click it!

how do you deal with shoe has many many BBBB PPPP or PBPB

thank you

Play TB4L with a stop loss (-2 or -3) Restart after a paper win.
Do the opposite OTB4L for mixed shoes with lots of 2's and 3's.

Originally Posted by Joker

how do you deal with shoe has many many BBBB PPPP or PBPB

thank you

Attached is a sample of RD1.

thank you.. but as we know shoe is very unpredictable....

anything can' happen any time.. you change the system and all of the sudden shoe go against the change...