Dragon Baccarat System

[JAKESBONE1]

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[JAKESBONE1]

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[senlung]

It's anazing that you paid so much and yet you posted it on the web. We do appreciated your kindness and when the test is over I will let you know the results.

All my systems are purchased more than 10 years and I do not have the system you mentioned but interested in the outcome of the test.

[krapper007]

Hey Jakes

Thanks but it's different from what I have, my maximum losses is 60 units and my is the same but with positive progression. I am still winning with his systems.

Let me run a test based on the tester I have and will post it in this forum.

Anyway, thanks alot for sharing and good luck to you.

What is the name of the system that limits losses to 60 units and uses positive progression? Is it one of the dragon systems?

[senlung]

krapper007

System requires 60 units that I have is Advanced Level at the time when I bought it way back in the late 90's and Dragon told me last week that it's Intermediate Level 2 now. Yes, it's flat, negative and positive progression and it's very mild positive or negative.

I did not know the winning average per shoe but the winnings is always ranging from 30 to 50% of my initial session capital.

Played alternately with the three systems I have and so far(more than 10 years) so good.

I have limited resources to play or buy his higher ends system, they did sent me all the information but it's just too expensive for me.

[senlung]

John
I really donn't understand what you are talking about. You probably mistaken me for another guy from your initial reply.

[senlung]

Originally Posted by senlung
hi,
i am new here but an experienced player of baccarat and played my sessions from east to west coast casinos.
purchased few of his systems since 1989 starting from intermediate level 1 to advanced level (1992 @$5k) and to break it down:
intermediate level 1 $299
intermediate level 2 $2500( 1990)
advanced level $5000(1992)
during those years, they have not given me any proof to substantiate their winning average but 500 live casino tester which i can use to test it but i never test it.
as i have visited many chat rooms, sent email to dragon to see if my systems matched what he is selling now and he told me that level 1 is the same, level 2 is different from 1990 the present (2009)intermediate level 2 is the advanced level from 1992.
i have never test all the system i have but still played with it whenever i played my sessions now.
it started initially with few sessions of level 1, "felt" the consistency in level 1, kept playing for few months and won enough money to buy level 2 to advanced level.
years back, chatters complaint those systems i have in one of those forum, i was totally shocked with those negative report when those systems are working for me.
experienced with emotion, greed at times and all it takes is just seconds to messed it up with down the valley decision.
till this day, i have no faintest idea of my winning average per shoe as defined by dragon’s web site but i do know that i wins most of the time that ranged from 30 to 100% of my session capital.

Dragons high end systems are pure crap..Here is advanced level 2... 10k system for free (bet opposite last decicion) bet units 2 -5 -15 - 2 - 35 -75- 150 if you lose wait for another shoe then start over.. You can & will lose up to 7 shoes in a row before you have a 100 unit win..Dragon should be hung!! All they are is a martingale on steroids!!! I KNOW I LOST 30 K PLAYING THEM!!!

Last edited by JAKESBONE1; 11-20-2009 at 07:44 PM.

Attention Jakesbone1 and all chatters,
Jakesbone1 claimed that Dragon’s Advanced Level that cost him 10K and he losses 30K playing it.


From his reply, the system is betting OLD with the following sequences of 2 -5 -15 - 2 - 35 -75 and maximum losses is 150 units for a shoe.


It’s been more than a month, tested it with Dragon’s baccarat tester book(believed that it’s the same book since 80’s for 150 shoes and the average win per shoe is 5.7 units, losses percentages of 41.3% and unfortunately the commission from banker’s hand is 5 units thus the winning average of .7 units per shoe. And compared to my 1992 Advanced Level(2009 Intermediate Level 2) with the same number of shoes is 8 units winning average per shoe!!!
And the true results as defined in the flyer from Dragon’s Advanced Level 2 for 150 shoes is 60+ winning average per shoe.


With the above results, simply could not believes that Dragon priced it 10K and compared to what I have in 1992 Advanced Level(now(2009) it’s Intermediate Level 2) which requires under 60 units capital with winning average of 12 units per shoe.
It’s tedious running this test “manually” and those ?????? hovering over me, decided to checked with Dragon personally.


Told me that he does not have this system as described by Jakesbone1.


Dragon did told me that since January 2009, sold more than 35 orders of Advanced Level 2 was shipped worldwide and only one complaint from USA which the complaint is groundless with “fictitious” claims. This buyer will understand in the future.
??????’s are why Jakesbone1 is defaming Dragon’s system in writings with non existence system from Dragon.


Jakesbone1, my past experiences from playing baccarat systematically requires ton of patience and good required skills to put in it practice otherwise it’s “kaboom” for all you have.
Below is part of the email that I have with Dragon:


“Dragon: There are many buyers did paid us highly for proven system but claimed otherwise then we will definitely suggest that we pooled our resources and played together with that particular system in live casino. And we always proves them wrong 100%.

There are many buyers that tried their very best to get their money back, claimed it does not work and then “bait” those new players to share their cost by promising them that since Dragon system does not work but they have found ways improvising Dragon system into a winning one thus turning his cost into profits. And in fact they knew that they have the winning system in hand”


It’s hard testing it and I thought “jakesbone1” was kind in disclosing the most sought after system developer but that system he discloses is simply short term advantages with guaranteed long term disastrous results.

[JAKESBONE1]

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[senlung]

Jakesbone1, do response to me openly and will do likewise.

Now I have 200 shoes tested with the following results side by side from Jakesbones1(2,5,15,2,35,75 negative progression on OLD), senlung 1992 Advanced Leve(2009 Intermediate Level2 at Dragonbaccarat.com) and Dragon’s Advanced Level(his present listing at his website).

I do not know what’s present Advanced Level strategies but through the flyer I have the stats and my 1992 system is confidential and also the copyrights too but stats are shown up to 200 shoes.

Jakesbone1
Average win per shoe 5.7
Banker’s commission -5.2 with ne win of 0.5 units
150 units capital



Senlung
9.9 units per shoe and capita is 60 units
(no information for commission but very mild progression)


Dragon's flyer for his Advanced Level
51.9 units per shoe and capita 150 units




Chatters be the jury and let me know if Jakesbone1 is telling the truth.


I promised myself to stop testing as it’s tedious.


I am sure you have all the information before you pays him and if it's not in line as claimed by his response or stats then you can challenge him/her.


Based on the flyer it's below 35% of losses and not as you claimed losses 8 out of 10 shoes.

[JAKESBONE1]

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[senlung]

I have the detailed results as I have paid for the Advanced Level2 but it's not as you described and won 115 uinits from 6 shoes in two days in Mohegan Sun.

Paid 6K for this system as he discounted those systems I have.

I will be in AC too and if you are kind enough to tell us where.

Where on earth you have the 25K and 50K systems????

Theoretically, the Advanced Level 2 is a guaranteed winning system, probably you played wrongly and it's not as you described.

Now that I have the system, played it at Mohegan, won and found that it's pretty aggressive but returns is good for the price I have paid Dragon.

This is my new found strategy from Dragon. Thanking you for posting this topics.

[JAKESBONE1]

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[senlung]

Since my last session winning at Mohegan Sun, I have played in AC the same weekend that we posted, another trip back to Mohegan Sun/Foxwood and altogether played 18 shoes with winnings of 1130 units($25) amounting to slightly more than 25K. As required by the Advanced Level, my initial capital is $******(you should know the required capital to practice this system)

Since my first session in Mohegan Sun, with some studies of the system, I played with confident without any fear of set back.

Within those 18 shoes I do have a straight 4 losses but it's manageable since I have the required capital.

Let's get back to you, so much you loss or wins during your last trip to AC???

If you can detail us what's your results, shoes played and plus or minus for your trip.

I am not going to call you a liar when I am winning with the same system but rather curious as why you lose and I win.

You posted your phone in a public chatroom for us to call but what you about tell us will be contridictory to my results played.

Any trends can occurred within a shoe and that's where we must played professionally as detailed by the author of the system.

I was near frenzy when set back occurred 4 in a row, blood shot eye, itching to place another bet off the system, trying to chase the losses within those few hands, trying to sideline the original system and all those non professional attitudes with full dependency on luck.

At one time, missed the highest bet and to me it's a lucky missed bet as the outcome is against me.

We are human and fundamentally flawed so it's a matter within seconds or minutes that we must correct ourselves.

[senlung]

Hey Jakesbone
Just came back from Atlantic City played 3 with Advanced Level 2, only the first shoe is complete and the rest half shoes.

First shoe at Harrah's 135 units
Second shoe Taj -82 units
Third shoe Bally 14 units

Won 67 units for this trip and it was a tough trip when the second shoe slap me with 82 units losses.

Could not sustain the sneezing/running nose due to allergies after my arrival at Harrah's and requested a room from Taj for a half day rest before I drove home.

How's your luck with session at AC??

Again losses big time with the system you posted???????

[ayuinca]

Seems some people get interet in this dragon stuff and bring up this thread I haven't seen before. I have no comments but this one: it's completely not safe for a system survives only a few hundreds shoes before you would say it a winnng one.

[senlung]

ayuica

500 live casino shoes statistically is the same as 5000 shoes and nothing can changes that.

If you are "experienced" then you will noticed that Zumma distribution of trends are different between 1000 shoes and 600 shoes. And that's where some developer came up with high losses with minimum wins.

You said, I said or he said are not relevent but when we played it live, things just matches as what he claimed and the bottom line is a big plus to our pocket.

Some developer use statistic as guideline for a winning system and some devloped system that matches the stats.

As long as we are winning from his systems, it doesn't matter what formulation Dragon "cooked up" and on papers he detailed all his results from test.

Maybe, this weekend I will try Mohegan Sun/Foxwood though it's a little far but I loves to sit at tables that no familiar faces is around as it may "affect" a little of my play.

Good luck to all fellows chatters and don't leave casinos without their money.

[JAKESBONE1]

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[ayuinca]

500 live casino shoes statistically is the same as 5000 shoes and nothing can changes that.

I get what you mean, senlung but a 500-shoe sample is completely different to a 5000-shoe sample. My point is that don't conclude a system is a winning one or lossing before you have enough sample. In this case I will feel safe if there are a couple of 500-shoe samples. This is very different to only one set of 500-shoe sample. Despite of that, 500 shoes is not sufficient at all for a sample if the entire population is 1.649E+376.

When people show you a winning system you need to ask him for at least 20,000 shoes result, better 20 sets of 1,000 shoes; or one set of 1,000,000 shoes result. Well, it's impossible to get that much live bac shoes? RNG then. Among 1.649E+376 any shoe whatever it is live or RNG is valid for test. I don't see there is difference, even in term of randomness, as long as there is no identical shoes in the sample.

[senlung]

Dragon told me that many of his client said the same as you mentioned nd the bottom line is based on the statistical trend distribution. It's the same when you stretched it to a million shoes either live or SRNG.

He gave us 500 of his 5k live shoes, client will ask for more and when it' going to stop, million shoes or billion shoes.

Jakesbone1,

You must have lost tremendously with the system you posted here and claimed to be Advanced Level 2 and again I stressed that it's totally different from what I have.

Ask yourself these question:

Are you qualified to play baccarat professionally?

Do I played accordingly to the book?

I have played it right and yes, there are some continious set back but I manage to withstand those set back and it's tough to go through it.

[senlung]

This topic has been posted everywhere not just here and was debated as to why he continued buying when he claimed that it did not work.

Dragon refused to comment publicly but he wanted me to put this publicly as "reliable information" that he is proceeding to obtain judgement against this poster which he knew who he is.

He wanted me to post this message to him:

Listen carefully with your "ear piece" tighly snugged to your ear, Dragon will will file judgement against you for the money you owes to him which is signed and notrised by yourself and please check your local newspaper or county court house to see if it's already obtained or get your credit report occassionally to check if it being reported.

It does not give Dragon sleepless night with this negative posting and I think it will gives you 7 years of sleepless night before the report disappear from your credit file, right?

You should thanks all chatters for the judgement especially Ryan.

[senlung]

And Dragon told me that justtryingmakeit is also his customer but a re-seller. He is from Australia.

[livegaming]

This topic has been posted everywhere not just here and was debated as to why he continued buying when he claimed that it did not work.

Dragon refused to comment publicly but he wanted me to put this publicly as "reliable information" that he is proceeding to obtain judgement against this poster which he knew who he is.

He wanted me to post this message to him:

Listen carefully with your "ear piece" tighly snugged to your ear, Dragon will will file judgement against you for the money you owes to him which is signed and notrised by yourself and please check your local newspaper or county court house to see if it's already obtained.

You should thanks all chatters for the judgement especially Ryan.

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*We shed 40 pounds of skin in a lifetime.
*Like fingerprints, everyones tongueprint is different.
*Right handed people live on average 9 years longer than left handed people
*A person uses approximately fifty-seven sheets of toilet paper each day
*In Singapore, it is illegal to sell or own chewing gum
*"Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the letters "mt".
*A "jiffy" is an actual unit of time for 1/100th of a second.
*Coca-Cola would be green if colouring weren’t added to it.
*Donald Duck was banned in Finland for a while because he doesn't wear pants.
*The longest word in the English language is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.
*111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321
*The name Wendy was made up for the book "Peter Pan."
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*If electrodes are inserted at opposite ends of a pickle, and electricity is passed through, the pickle will glow.
*The cigarette lighter was invented before the match.
*Mel Blanc, the voice of Bugs Bunny, was allergic to carrots.
*40% of cases a pizza will arrive sooner than an ambulance.
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*It is believed that Shakespeare was 46 around the time that the King James Version of the Bible was written. In Psalms 46, the 46th word from the first word is shake and the 46th word from the last word is spear.
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*The average woman consumes 6 pounds of lipstick in her lifetime.
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*If you keep a goldfish in a dark room, it will eventually turn white.
*A ball of glass will bounce higher that a ball of rubber.
*Children grow faster in the spring.
*On average, a human being will spend up to 2 weeks kissing in his/her lifetime.
*Mosquitoes are attracted to people who have recently eaten bananas.
*A sneeze travels out of your mouth at over100 miles per hour.
*Some ribbon worms will eat themselves if they cant find any food.
*A "dude" is an infected hair on an elephants butt.
*The average person has a total of 6 pounds of skin.
*Astronauts are not allowed to eat beans before they go into space because passing wind in a spacesuit damages them.
*On average, 12 newborns will be given to the wrong parents daily.
*On average, 100 people choke to death on ball-point pens every year.
*Red is the most commonly colored vehical involved in accidents each year.
*The swastika was origionaly a symbol of peace and honor and is still used by Buddhists today.
*Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite.
*Shakespeare invented the words "assassination" and "bump."
*In most advertisements, the time displayed on a watch is 10:10.
*American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive from each salad served in first-class.
*The electric chair was invented by a dentist.
*Marilyn Monroe had 6 toes

[grassshopper]

once again SengDumbDragon acting as the mouthpiece of Dragon or in other words acting as himself....

[senlung]

once again SengDumbDragon acting as the mouthpiece of Dragon or in other words acting as himself....

Once again I am senlung or "dragooon" and not Dragon

[grassshopper]

very interesting, see senglungdragon why dont you share something positive with us instead of just acting like Dragon or if you are not Dragon, then Dragon's Bitch...?

random things that are useless
*Ducks quacks don't echo. No one knows why.
*Hitler's mother thought about having an abortion, but was talked out of it by her doctor.
*We shed 40 pounds of skin in a lifetime.
*Like fingerprints, everyones tongueprint is different.
*Right handed people live on average 9 years longer than left handed people
*A person uses approximately fifty-seven sheets of toilet paper each day
*In Singapore, it is illegal to sell or own chewing gum
*"Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the letters "mt".
*A "jiffy" is an actual unit of time for 1/100th of a second.
*Coca-Cola would be green if colouring weren’t added to it.
*Donald Duck was banned in Finland for a while because he doesn't wear pants.
*The longest word in the English language is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.
*111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321
*The name Wendy was made up for the book "Peter Pan."
*The manufacturing documentation for a Jumbo Jet weighs more than a Jumbo Jet.
*If electrodes are inserted at opposite ends of a pickle, and electricity is passed through, the pickle will glow.
*The cigarette lighter was invented before the match.
*Mel Blanc, the voice of Bugs Bunny, was allergic to carrots.
*40% of cases a pizza will arrive sooner than an ambulance.
*Most toliets flush in E-flat.
*It is believed that Shakespeare was 46 around the time that the King James Version of the Bible was written. In Psalms 46, the 46th word from the first word is shake and the 46th word from the last word is spear.
*The sound of E.T. walking was made by someone squishing her hands in jelly.
*In the average lifetime, a person will walk the equivalent of 5 times around the equator.
*A hummingbird weighs less than a penny.
*The longest one-syllable word is "screeched."
*Frowning burns more calories than smiling.
*1/4 of the bones in your body are in your feet.
*The average woman consumes 6 pounds of lipstick in her lifetime.
*The bullfrog is the only animal that never sleeps.
*If you keep a goldfish in a dark room, it will eventually turn white.
*A ball of glass will bounce higher that a ball of rubber.
*Children grow faster in the spring.
*On average, a human being will spend up to 2 weeks kissing in his/her lifetime.
*Mosquitoes are attracted to people who have recently eaten bananas.
*A sneeze travels out of your mouth at over100 miles per hour.
*Some ribbon worms will eat themselves if they cant find any food.
*A "dude" is an infected hair on an elephants butt.
*The average person has a total of 6 pounds of skin.
*Astronauts are not allowed to eat beans before they go into space because passing wind in a spacesuit damages them.
*On average, 12 newborns will be given to the wrong parents daily.
*On average, 100 people choke to death on ball-point pens every year.
*Red is the most commonly colored vehical involved in accidents each year.
*The swastika was origionaly a symbol of peace and honor and is still used by Buddhists today.
*Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite.
*Shakespeare invented the words "assassination" and "bump."
*In most advertisements, the time displayed on a watch is 10:10.
*American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive from each salad served in first-class.
*The electric chair was invented by a dentist.
*Marilyn Monroe had 6 toes

[grassshopper]

by the way, the 113, Dragon system is based on Luck, nothing new, nothing special...

[Egalite]

Nothing like resurrecting old threads to flush the maggot out of the woodwork.

[paoyen]

Nothing like resurrecting old threads to flush the maggot out of the woodwork.

Thanks Egalite for resurrecting this topics of Dragon Baccarat System.

In fact it's eye opener for me to read it over again since 2009 and believed that his disciples defended it to the point that all his stats was posted in this forum or elsewhere.

This topics is well over but you choose to "resurrect" it and that makes me think you are his disciples too.

With this resurrection all new members will try to locate Dragon's his website and that's very beneficial to Dragon Baccarat System and freee publicity.

Let me and all new chatters thank you for your generousity in recalling this topic.

I am not a follower of Dragon but from all past confrontation between senlung and chatters; Senlung have prved all wrong with all his posted stats for that particular system.

I could not believes those stats of high winning but it's there.

Thank you once again from us.

[paoyen]

One more thing that I forgot to mention is that justryingtomakeit and krapper is the same person and through this chatroom chatters identify he is a re-seller of gambling systems.

[Egalite]

Nothing like resurrecting old threads to flush the maggot out of the woodwork.

Thanks Egalite for resurrecting this topics of Dragon Baccarat System.

Thanks for proving me right, as predicted, right on queue...