Thread: Dragon Baccarat System

Does anyone know anything about the Advanced level 1 (or level 2) Baccarat system?

I could give a damn about your post! I asked a simple question that required a yes or no answer from somebody who knows about the system. If you do not know the answer, then simply do not respond!

Originally Posted by Justtryingtomakeit

Does anyone know anything about the Advanced level 1 (or level 2) Baccarat system?

I think i could find the intermediate ones in my files, but i don't know if even the Dragon has sold any of his big-ticket stuff. (Just letting you know it may be a tough one to find.)

I have the intermediate level 1, which isn't all that great, but it's not that bad! If fact, before I brought it, Chua Guat Hong told me that it wasn't a big money maker. And I realize that the Advanced level may be hard to find, which makes me wonder if it actually works. I've noticed that almost anyone can find out information on a system (or the system itself) by doing a deep search on the internet. Yet, I have not run into one person that has anything about the DB Advanced levels (Good or Bad)!

Originally Posted by Justtryingtomakeit

I have the intermediate level 1, which isn't all that great, but it's not that bad! If fact, before I brought it, Chua Guat Hong told me that it wasn't a big money maker. And I realize that the Advanced level may be hard to find, which makes me wonder if it actually works. I've noticed that almost anyone can find out information on a system (or the system itself) by doing a deep search on the internet. Yet, I have not run into one person that has anything about the DB Advanced levels (Good or Bad)!

Which also had led to speculation it works.

I have three of the four levels, and all three, are losers. Save your money. Save your money, Save your money. Enough said?

Originally Posted by littogage

I have three of the four levels, and all three, are losers. Save your money. Save your money, Save your money. Enough said?

Which ones do you have?

And there aren't just 4 levels! Are you sure you're talking about the same systems?

Well, the ones I am talking about, is called Dragon Baccarat, and I have the beginner, intermediate, and advanced level 1. The originator of it is from Georgia, oriental, and provides a notebook of shoes to practice the methods on. The real kicker in that, is that those shoes are hand selected by him, to support his methods. I haven't been to his site about Dragon Baccarat in years, because I found they don't stand the test of winning over time. I believe the site touts his wife as a blackjack expert also, plus, they want an unbelieveable amount of money for casino travel.

Originally Posted by littogage

Well, the ones I am talking about, is called Dragon Baccarat, and I have the beginner, intermediate, and advanced level 1. The originator of it is from Georgia, oriental, and provides a notebook of shoes to practice the methods on. The real kicker in that, is that those shoes are hand selected by him, to support his methods. I haven't been to his site about Dragon Baccarat in years, because I found they don't stand the test of winning over time. I believe the site touts his wife as a blackjack expert also, plus, they want an unbelieveable amount of money for casino travel.

Yup, that's the one! Did you pay $5000 for the Advanced level?

I did not purchase the last one. And in the prior ones, that were purchased, I had ten friends that were partners in baccarat, and we all paid a share in it. And sincerely, truly, I would not recommend it to anyone. If it worked as it was said to, I would recommend it in a heatbeat, but it isn't, and I am honest and genuinely I do care, for what is good, true and honest.

I will also add, I lost five of my baccarat friends, team partners, through the use of Dragon Baccarat. They simply didn't want anything to do with baccarat, after it failed. I lost another baccarat friend, playing partner to the issue of the 5% percent commission charge, due to a banker win. He simply refused to play baccarat anymore due to that. My view of it, is simply this, if it is 5% on banker, and no commission charge on player wins, in reality it is only 2 1/2% with the two combined. Two other baccarat friends were lost due to chasing their losses, and the remaining friend was lost due to going against streaks. All things, a person learns early on in casino gaming. So, for the last eight years, I have played, studied, learned, on my own, which gets really lonely. And that is the main reason I joined this forum, as well to continue to learn, observe, and practice, with like minded others, that have the same love of this game, dedication, sharing and willing to learn.

Originally Posted by littogage

I will also add, I lost five of my baccarat friends, team partners, through the use of Dragon Baccarat. They simply didn't want anything to do with baccarat, after it failed. I lost another baccarat friend, playing partner to the issue of the 5% percent commission charge, due to a banker win. He simply refused to play baccarat anymore due to that. My view of it, is simply this, if it is 5% on banker, and no commission charge on player wins, in reality it is only 2 1/2% with the two combined. Two other baccarat friends were lost due to chasing their losses, and the remaining friend was lost due to going against streaks. All things, a person learns early on in casino gaming. So, for the last eight years, I have played, studied, learned, on my own, which gets really lonely. And that is the main reason I joined this forum, as well to continue to learn, observe, and practice, with like minded others, that have the same love of this game, dedication, sharing and willing to learn.

Did you get the email that I sent to you?

Hello, and yes I received your email this morning, as I did not check my email last night. Thank you.

Originally Posted by littogage

I will also add, I lost five of my baccarat friends, team partners, through the use of Dragon Baccarat. They simply didn't want anything to do with baccarat, after it failed. I lost another baccarat friend, playing partner to the issue of the 5% percent commission charge, due to a banker win. He simply refused to play baccarat anymore due to that. My view of it, is simply this, if it is 5% on banker, and no commission charge on player wins, in reality it is only 2 1/2% with the two combined. Two other baccarat friends were lost due to chasing their losses, and the remaining friend was lost due to going against streaks. All things, a person learns early on in casino gaming. So, for the last eight years, I have played, studied, learned, on my own, which gets really lonely. And that is the main reason I joined this forum, as well to continue to learn, observe, and practice, with like minded others, that have the same love of this game, dedication, sharing and willing to learn.

Not to add insult to injury, (I hear your story all the time and wonder why Garnabby doesn't go and attack those high priced cons rather than someone recommending ultra conservative 2 Hi's and charging less for lifetime membership than the average player loses every day he steps into a casino), whew, but just to set the record exactly straight:as you probably know, commission, being paid on Bank wins only works out on average to 1.25% of the total money bet.

And sorry to hear about your frustrations. I do what I can about the Silverthorn types but it usually falls on deaf ears and I often end up picking up the pieces after its too late. Most of my membership tells very similar stories. Perhaps you can understand why I'm so steadfastly against all high risk systems. It seems like the higher the price the higher the risk. It seems to me maybe it should be the other way around. Spilt milk. Hope I didn't get any on ya.

Mr. Ellis, I assure you, you have not added to my frustrations, nor in any manner do I perceive any insult to injury. I do appreciate your sharing, so I do thank you. My only complaint, regarding your site, was when I posted a sincere, and respectful question, in what method was the best to use, in order to gain the membership fee for your membership that you offer. I thought it was generous of you to offer a method to accomplish such means. My question was left unanswereed for three months. I also understand by your communication that I asked the wrong person "Keith", and I did apologize for that, and I did ask him not knowing who to ask. I also came to understand through that process, that no one "method", "strategy" or "system" would work all the time, and that view was further reinforced to me, in appreciating the truth of it. So again, I do thank you for that. Please know, I do understand in these and other matters, there is a process that takes place. A process that does not always proceed in a sentence or two, as well a process takes time. I have no qualms with you Sir, and I do compliment you in all your sincere efforts, sharing, wisdom, and insights. In regards to the attacking, insults, demeaning, and other negative forms of communication, I simply ignore it, and move forward. I am a seeker of truths, and goodness, to which I believe is positive, and enhances not only my own life, but the life of others. My spirit is alive and open to the wonderful creativity that is available to all of us. The past is the past, which is why it is referred to as the past. Today is a brand new day, and I for one, wish to appreciate, enjoy, and share this priceless "present". I wish you a good day Sir, and also to everyone, that chooses the same.

yes sir!!! littogage, i like your attitude!!! good things happen to people like you!

Absolutely agree! Right on!

thank you TakeThe Win. Encouraging, and thoughtful of you to say so, and I do genuinely appreciate it very much.

Dragon systems are good but you have to have gut and big bankroll to survive. I learn them from friends and I used them once in a while.
GB

JakesBone, I am truly sorry to hear of your misfortune. A member here, message me, and requested copies of the series of Dragon Baccarat that I have, because he was on a losing streak for the last month, using what he had. Because I am honest, and do genuinely care, I strongly suggested that he not use anything related to Dragon Baccarat. My experience with the Dragon Baccarat was extensive, and in my heart, I could not recommend it to him. I even shared that if I shared those systems with him, I would be doing him a great disservice, and I will NOT share anything with anyone, that would not benefit them. Again, I am deeply sorry that you experienced what you did with it, but I know, that none of those methods from Dragon work. And in this case, I think it is a travesty, ripoff, and down right blatant scam and dishonesty, for them to know it doesn't work, and yet tout it as they do, and charge what they do, with no refund to the customer, when the customer documents to them, on over 500 shoes, that their methods do not work. I have talked with others over the years, and every person that purchased any of their methods, will testify in court, that it doesn't work. I will only speak out in this manner, when I have documented, concise, and exact proof, that something doesn't work. And of course as you know, the shoes they include to practice their methods on, are hand picked shoes they chose to further promote their methods, which is not only deceptive, but also highly misleading. I wish you a good day, and better days ahead for you.

Hi John, and yes I realize already some have asked for it, to which I respectfully reply, that I would be doing them a disservice, by sharing it with them, and I can't and won't share anything that I have proven, documented evidence that it doesn't work.

I understand John, but, in sharing it, my conscience would bother me, in that someone would actually try to use it and I know they would lose. I do understand and appreciate the point that you make John.

Why don't you just show them here, then we will know how good they are. We are not naive enough to play them if we do not test them. GB

First of all, and I say this truly respectfully, I have shared why I won't share them, and I will say it another way also, I would not want for anyone to waste a moment of their valuable time, on something that doesn't work. I will also ask, to please not confuse the issue of something that doesn't work, in regards to anyone being naive.

My last suggestion regarding this, you can also ask Jakesbone1, as he has clearly stated in the same manner that I have, regarding it also.

Hi,
I am new here but an experienced player of baccarat and played my sessions from East to West coast casinos.
Purchased few of his systems since 1989 starting from Intermediate Level 1 to Advanced Level (1992 @$5K) and to break it down:
Intermediate Level 1 $299
Intermediate Level 2 $2500( 1990)
Advanced Level $5000(1992)
During those years, they have not given me any proof to substantiate their winning average but 500 live casino tester which I can use to test it but I never test it.
As I have visited many chat rooms, sent email to Dragon to see if my systems matched what he is selling now and he told me that level 1 is the same, level 2 is different from 1990 the present (2009)Intermediate Level 2 is the Advanced Level from 1992.
I have never test all the system I have but still played with it whenever I played my sessions now.
It started initially with few sessions of level 1, "felt" the consistency in Level 1, kept playing for few months and won enough money to buy level 2 to Advanced Level.
Years back, chatters complaint those systems I have in one of those forum, I was totally shocked with those negative report when those systems are working for me.
Experienced with emotion, greed at times and all it takes is just seconds to messed it up with down the valley decision.
Till this day, I have no faintest idea of my winning average per shoe as defined by Dragon’s web site but I do know that I wins most of the time that ranged from 30 to 100% of my session capital.

Right, we won a lot most of the time with 500 unit bankroll. Lanchew, michelle tan, paoyen, dragoon won thousands of units around the world. Please shed some light about MM and bet selection to desperate gamblers.
Good luck to your sale business.

i am new here but an experienced player of baccarat and played my sessions from east to west coast casinos.
purchased few of his systems since 1989 starting from intermediate level 1 to advanced level (1992 @$5k) and to break it down:
intermediate level 1 $299
intermediate level 2 $2500( 1990)
advanced level $5000(1992)
during those years, they have not given me any proof to substantiate their winning average but 500 live casino tester which i can use to test it but i never test it.
as i have visited many chat rooms, sent email to dragon to see if my systems matched what he is selling now and he told me that level 1 is the same, level 2 is different from 1990 the present (2009)intermediate level 2 is the advanced level from 1992.
i have never test all the system i have but still played with it whenever i played my sessions now.
it started initially with few sessions of level 1, "felt" the consistency in level 1, kept playing for few months and won enough money to buy level 2 to advanced level.
years back, chatters complaint those systems i have in one of those forum, i was totally shocked with those negative report when those systems are working for me.
experienced with emotion, greed at times and all it takes is just seconds to messed it up with down the valley decision.
till this day, i have no faintest idea of my winning average per shoe as defined by dragon’s web site but i do know that i wins most of the time that ranged from 30 to 100% of my session capital.

Hey Jakes

Thanks but it's different from what I have, my maximum losses is 60 units and my is the same but with positive progression. I am still winning with his systems.

Let me run a test based on the tester I have and will post it in this forum.

Anyway, thanks alot for sharing and good luck to you.

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