Thread: Decent system

here's a really effective system....but requires a big bank roll to make it effective. Simply because the net win per shoe is only 1-12 units.

Max loss per shoe is less 1-8 units. Wins more shoes than it looses.

What you do is establish first whether you are going to bet banker or player. If the first hand is banker, you are going for banker....first hand player you are going for player.

Total bankroll needed for lifetime of system is 100 units.

The goal is to make 12 units and then stop, or reach the halfway point of the third "ten step".

I will explain.

You start betting banker.

Here's an example shoe...

bbbpppbbpbppbbbbppbbbppbpbbpbpbbbpbbppppbpppppbb

ppbbppppbpbbbbpbpbbpp

here's exampe play for the above shoe (w=win, l=loss,3=3unit bet,...=end of ten step)

wwwlll3wlwll3www...
wwlll3wlwll3

Ok, now, we started betting banker. Once we hit 3 losses (not in a row, just 3 losses) you then bet 3 units. Once we hit 10 wins (not in a row, just 10 wins) you switch to the other side.

Once you hit ten wins, you have finished a ten step, and are now betting on the opposite side until you hit ten wins.

This shoe finished at 12 units profit.

If we were still down units at this point, we would continue until halfway through the third ten step. That is as far as you go into a shoe. No further. Most shoes end in a profit...the loosing shoes aren't that much of a loss.

Just post questions, I will answer any I can. I am using this system now at atlantic city and foxwoods.

I have a question:

What happens when you do bet 3 units and you lose that bet? What would be your next bet and where/

Thanks

Nirvana4me

Originally Posted by nirvana4me

I have a question:

What happens when you do bet 3 units and you lose that bet? What would be your next bet and where/

Thanks

Nirvana4me

If you loose a 3 unit bet, you start over the "3 losses tracking" and resume betting 1 unit.

And keep it on whatever side you are on during your current 10 step. If you lost a 3 unit bet while betting on banker, resume betting on banker until you finish that current 10 step. And vice versa.

hello... but you have never seen the shoe like

PBBBBBBBBBPBBBBBBBPBBBBBB

I have seen this... and if this happen do you lose a lot?

P is first so bet on P right? lose tree time and 3 unit...

Yeah, but, I think the max loss is 8 units. So, you would have been out of that shoe early.

R/S

FOOD for thought, maybe, he just did release his "SYSTEM", only, when he plays his decent system, he only bets when he is suppose to bet 3 units.

You never know,

R/S

NEVERDIE14,

Curious, how long have you been playing, the DECENT SYSTEM, and, what are your shoe win percentage, versus shoe losses on live games.

R/S

Correct.

You do have to have a stop loss.

And if you reach the middle of the third ten step and still struggling, at say, -4, or even +2, just quit the shoe.

So far, after playing LIVE 40 shoes, I am up 245 units. But, before playing live, I tested live 150 shoes. System netted (after commissions and losses) 560 units after 150 shoes. That was live testing. Now I am playing live...let's see how it pans out.

I am dying to apply a progession, but, progessions are dangerous. So, I will stick to this.

I tested 3 shoes just to get a feel for the system. Two shoes finished -4 and one shoe finished +6. I am confused about how much you should be betting...

When you first start out you bet 3 units..and you continue to bet 3 units as long as you are winning. Is this correct?

Then when you reach your first Loss, you bet 1 unit. From that point forward do you continue to bet 1 unit whether you win or lose and never go back up to 3 units? Or do you go back up to 3 units on a win?

I noticed that if you lose the first 3 unit bet then it is kind of hard to get back to even. But I only tested 3 shoes.

Originally Posted by John1234

I tested 3 shoes just to get a feel for the system. Two shoes finished -4 and one shoe finished +6. I am confused about how much you should be betting...

When you first start out you bet 3 units..and you continue to bet 3 units as long as you are winning. Is this correct?

Then when you reach your first Loss, you bet 1 unit. From that point forward do you continue to bet 1 unit whether you win or lose and never go back up to 3 units? Or do you go back up to 3 units on a win?

I noticed that if you lose the first 3 unit bet then it is kind of hard to get back to even. But I only tested 3 shoes.

No, you have it wrong.

You don't start out betting 3 units. You only bet 3 units for one bet after you hit a 3 loss step. And that is the only time. For instance, you come across this series (you are on player).... bbpbpppbbbp

your bets would be llwl3wwwlll3

W=win, l=loss, 3=3unit bet.

All regular bets are 1 unit,...all "after a 3 loss step" bets are a one time 3 unit bet.

ooooooooooooh ok, I had a feeling that I was doing something wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up

Originally Posted by neverdie14

here's a really effective system....but requires a big bank roll to make it effective. Simply because the net win per shoe is only 1-12 units.

1-12, huh. So the average then is 6 units a shoe and ave. loss is 4 units?

Max loss per shoe is less 1-8 units. Wins more shoes than it looses.

What you do is establish first whether you are going to bet banker or player. If the first hand is banker, you are going for banker....first hand player you are going for player.

Total bankroll needed for lifetime of system is 100 units.

The goal is to make 12 units and then stop, or reach the halfway point of the third "ten step".

I will explain.

You start betting banker.

Here's an example shoe...

bbbpppbbpbppbbbbppbbbppbpbbpbpbbbpbbppppbpppppbb

ppbbppppbpbbbbpbpbbpp

here's exampe play for the above shoe (w=win, l=loss,3=3unit bet,...=end of ten step)

wwwlll3wlwll3www...
wwlll3wlwll3

Ok, now, we started betting banker. Once we hit 3 losses (not in a row, just 3 losses) you then bet 3 units. Once we hit 10 wins (not in a row, just 10 wins) you switch to the other side.

Once you hit ten wins, you have finished a ten step, and are now betting on the opposite side until you hit ten wins.

This shoe finished at 12 units profit.

If we were still down units at this point, we would continue until halfway through the third ten step. That is as far as you go into a shoe. No further. Most shoes end in a profit...the loosing shoes aren't that much of a loss.

Just post questions, I will answer any I can. I am using this system now at atlantic city and foxwoods.

Watching baseball tonite. Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. Aren't you the one who was going to tell everybody some fantastic winning method but then reneged because it was too good?

So instead you are promoting the above "decent" system that you claim wins and are actually playing it instead of that other "miracle method?"

Question 1: Aren't you just a little bit embarrassed about this little well, scam?

Question 2: Don't you realize that P and B win about the same number of hands and you will eventually win and lose the same number of 1 unit bets and 3 unit bets?

You do have to have a stop loss.

And if you reach the middle of the third ten step and still struggling, at say, -4, or even +2, just quit the shoe.

So far, after playing LIVE 40 shoes, I am up 245 units. But, before playing live, I tested live 150 shoes. System netted (after commissions and losses) 560 units after 150 shoes. That was live testing. Now I am playing live...let's see how it pans out.

Frankly I doubt the above. But variance is variance and anything can happen - even a run of 50 in a row. If it is true it is only because you are quitting the shoes and not getting in the number of hands required to bring everything back to the averages.

This is a free system, right? I suggest you put up the actual statistics:

Number of hands played overall
Shoes W/L %
Average Win/Shoe
Average Loss/Shoe

Either that or stop the charade! I hate to sound harsh but there are a lot of people here really trying to learn and win what is a real tough game to beat. Your initial joke followed by this one is pretty sad.

Archer

Originally Posted by Archer

1-12, huh. So the average then is 6 units a shoe and ave. loss is 4 units?

Watching baseball tonite. Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. Aren't you the one who was going to tell everybody some fantastic winning method but then reneged because it was too good?

So instead you are promoting the above "decent" system that you claim wins and are actually playing it instead of that other "miracle method?"

Question 1: Aren't you just a little bit embarrassed about this little well, scam?

Question 2: Don't you realize that P and B win about the same number of hands and you will eventually win and lose the same number of 1 unit bets and 3 unit bets?


Frankly I doubt the above. But variance is variance and anything can happen - even a run of 50 in a row. If it is true it is only because you are quitting the shoes and not getting in the number of hands required to bring everything back to the averages.

This is a free system, right? I suggest you put up the actual statistics:

Number of hands played overall
Shoes W/L %
Average Win/Shoe
Average Loss/Shoe

Either that or stop the charade! I hate to sound harsh but there are a lot of people here really trying to learn and win what is a real tough game to beat. Your initial joke followed by this one is pretty sad.

Archer

I will state again, that I have nothing to prove here and will post until my account is terminated. I have no feeling for the "scam". Most of what you posted, I won't reply to....not to create hostility, I just don't have anything to say to them.

I will continue to post my results as I test the system. Every system I create, I test live with my own money. I don't see what I gain from lying, honestly, .....but, obviously, you, lordmuffdive, garnaby (maybe?) and naturalnines see that I do have something to gain by bsing and joking? Idk.

Heading out to foxwoods tomorrow with some friends and staying there until friday

Going to try a new money management system,...based on a minor semi-random, positive progresson (chasing wins) see how effective it is over 70 shoes. Going to play 10-13 shoes a day. Depending on how crowded it is.

I'll post here after playing every day. Once I see it survive positive over these 70 shoes, I will post the new money management system. The selection method will stay the same.

Neverdie14,

One would think that with the apparent wealth of live baccarat data available here from various members, you would be able to "test" your money management system well before heading off into the trenches for real.

Who takes a new MM or playing strategy right into the casino without substantial testing, especially for a long weekend??

I'm sure many members would volunteer a card or two for you to test on.

AD

Originally Posted by ADulay

Neverdie14,

One would think that with the apparent wealth of live baccarat data available here from various members, you would be able to "test" your money management system well before heading off into the trenches for real.

Who takes a new MM or playing strategy right into the casino without substantial testing, especially for a long weekend??

I'm sure many members would volunteer a card or two for you to test on.

AD

My live testing with real money, always immediately follows my live testing on paper. I've already tested my new money management (MM) on paper, with live shoes. Now I want to test it with actual bets.

It's personal really. I enjoy the excitement. Sure I could just sit here and do more paper testing....but really, what's the fun in that? Especially if I have no feeling for the money I will be gambling with.

Neverdie14, I'm not going to even come back at you my brother, but do what's right ok? Let me explain. I have an aunt that's been in a coma for about a month from a car accident, she has broken both arms and legs as a result of the t-bone accident and her brain is severely damaged, she's still in a coma. I also know a friend that just had a friend that was shot to death point blank outside a bar from a fight, his family told my friend the bad news. What i'm trying to say Neverdie is that our time on earth is limited and we don't know when we're going to die but life is short.

This also goes out to everyone on the forum, if you have something that is working, share it, we don't have forever and all we have is our "good works". Push ego and everything else petty aside and offer FREELY to others with no conditions attached.

Neverdie, the flaw that i see with your method is if you hit a streaky shoe going the opposite way of the side you're currently betting on and you keep hitting -3 units every time there's a 3 loss then you're fighting an uphill battle, i know you switch sides after 10 wins. I understand your method from your examples and it does look decent but as we know shoes can "turn" and when you bet 3 units you lose at those spots, so stop loss is -8 that's a good point you proposed. I will look into your "decent" method but i already see the flaws but will still test it.

I'm sorry to anyone i have offended and will try to be kinder from now on and hope we pass the good "karma" along to everyone. Life is too short to be waiting and testing on things that doesn't work so if you do have something that works, AGAIN GIVE FREELY, the whole complete method and this is not only aimed at you Neverdie, it's aimed at EVERYONE on the forum. What is more selfish than taking someone else's time from them when time in life is SHORT. TIME MY BROTHERS, TIME IS SHORT!


Here's a quote for what's happening currently:

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.” –
Abraham Lincoln - In a letter written to William Elkin

Originally Posted by LordMuffdive

Neverdie14, I'm not going to even come back at you my brother, but do what's right ok? Let me explain. I have an aunt that's been in a coma for about a month from a car accident, she has broken both arms and legs as a result of the t-bone accident and her brain is severely damaged, she's still in a coma. I also know a friend that just had a friend that was shot to death point blank outside a bar from a fight, his family told my friend the bad news. What i'm trying to say Neverdie is that our time on earth is limited and we don't know when we're going to die but life is short.

This also goes out to everyone on the forum, if you have something that is working, share it, we don't have forever and all we have is our "good works". Push ego and everything else petty aside and offer FREELY to others with no conditions attached.

Neverdie, the flaw that i see with your method is if you hit a streaky shoe going the opposite way of the side you're currently betting on and you keep hitting -3 units every time there's a 3 loss then you're fighting an uphill battle, i know you switch sides after 10 wins. I understand your method from your examples and it does look decent but as we know shoes can "turn" and when you bet 3 units you lose at those spots, so stop loss is -8 that's a good point you proposed. I will look into your "decent" method but i already see the flaws but will still test it.

I'm sorry to anyone i have offended and will try to be kinder from now on and hope we pass the good "karma" along to everyone. Life is too short to be waiting and testing on things that doesn't work so if you do have something that works, AGAIN GIVE FREELY, the whole complete method and this is not only aimed at you Neverdie, it's aimed at EVERYONE on the forum. What is more selfish than taking someone else's time from them when time in life is SHORT. TIME MY BROTHERS, TIME IS SHORT!


Here's a quote for what's happening currently:

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.” –
Abraham Lincoln - In a letter written to William Elkin

I'm glad you posted this my man. That is why, I am going to stick around, take any blows I get from anyone here (which I know is the result of my own fault from my initial post joining this forum, I again apologize for that many times over) and keep posting systems, answering questions.

I was mugged at gun point by 4 guys recently....a few weeks recent. It humbled me, ....but made me internally stronger and more aware of the struggle going on out there. Had this world been a better place, those guys wouldn't have had to mug me! I felt bad afterwards....after being so angry at them. After pursuing them through law enforcement and personally. I stopped and thought about what drove them to do such a thing. Granted....taking a life, is pretty much unforgiveable!

Peace. That's what we need. To be civil, and peaceful. We're all human, and emotions and wild thoughts cloud our logic and clear judgement MOST of the time. Though, ego will keep everyone from admitting that,...we can just hope, the majority of us are understanding and passive enough to let everyone else make mistakes and learn from them.

Originally Posted by neverdie14

I'm glad you posted this my man. That is why, I am going to stick around, take any blows I get from anyone here (which I know is the result of my own fault from my initial post joining this forum, I again apologize for that many times over) and keep posting systems, answering questions.

I was mugged at gun point by 4 guys recently....a few weeks recent. It humbled me, ....but made me internally stronger and more aware of the struggle going on out there. Had this world been a better place, those guys wouldn't have had to mug me! I felt bad afterwards....after being so angry at them. After pursuing them through law enforcement and personally. I stopped and thought about what drove them to do such a thing. Granted....taking a life, is pretty much unforgiveable!

Peace. That's what we need. To be civil, and peaceful. We're all human, and emotions and wild thoughts cloud our logic and clear judgement MOST of the time. Though, ego will keep everyone from admitting that,...we can just hope, the majority of us are understanding and passive enough to let everyone else make mistakes and learn from them.

I feel bad for your encounter with those robbers, i understand your anger. It just shows how bad society has gotten, look at the news and what's going on around you. Life and taking life is not significant to people anymore, things are used and thrown away (use,abuse and trash).

Peace, that's what we need, i agree. I hope others are much kinder to you and your efforts and maybe we can be more profitable by having good "karma" go around. You know how it is when everyone is winning in a casino. Good karma, high fiving, cheering occurs, and everyone is a winner. I know i'm babbling on, PM me if you think of any more "tweaks" to your method or if you want to talk about other subjects.

Mike S.

Originally Posted by neverdie14

I will state again, that I have nothing to prove here and will post until my account is terminated. I have no feeling for the "scam". Most of what you posted, I won't reply to....not to create hostility, I just don't have anything to say to them.

Won't you at least say that ou are or not embarrased by our initial statements about iforming the group of the miracle methld?

I will continue to post my results as I test the system. Every system I create, I test live with my own money. I don't see what I gain from lying, honestly, .....but, obviously, you, lordmuffdive, garnaby (maybe?) and naturalnines see that I do have something to gain by bsing and joking? Idk.

LOL, you already lied or BS'd (take our pick) about one system. Gain? Some people just like to be on TV or get their name in the paper. I guess it is just about attention for you since nothing you say comes to fruition or makes any practical sense. You can have the last word. Best thing for folks to do is not bother responding to your posts. (Yawn!)

Archer

Originally Posted by Archer

Won't you at least say that ou are or not embarrased by our initial statements about iforming the group of the miracle methld?



LOL, you already lied or BS'd (take our pick) about one system. Gain? Some people just like to be on TV or get their name in the paper. I guess it is just about attention for you since nothing you say comes to fruition or makes any practical sense. You can have the last word. Best thing for folks to do is not bother responding to your posts. (Yawn!)

Archer

I did state I have no feeling for the "charade" you claim I promoted. As I will never see it as a charade, or anything embarrasing,...no matter what you or anyone saids. Perhaps you are right. Maybe my life is so empty, that I seek attention here online (sarcasm). In any case, I am not forcing anyone to communicate with me, they can do whatever they want. Obviously. I did also mention, whether I'm ignored or flamed, I will continue to post until my account is terminated. We can go back and fourth archer, but, we'd probably flood this post,...make it hard for the body of this topic to stay current with the title, and we'd probably never reach an agreeing state. I guess best thing maybe is for you to ignore me and I ignore you? Idk...?

Ok, I'm off to playing some baccarat. I will update on my progress later this evening.

I may just go ahead and post the new money management for this selection method earlier than friday if it really really goes well.

Originally Posted by neverdie14

I did state I have no feeling for the "charade" you claim I promoted. As I will never see it as a charade, or anything embarrasing,...no matter what you or anyone saids. Perhaps you are right. Maybe my life is so empty, that I seek attention here online (sarcasm). In any case, I am not forcing anyone to communicate with me, they can do whatever they want. Obviously. I did also mention, whether I'm ignored or flamed, I will continue to post until my account is terminated. We can go back and fourth archer, but, we'd probably flood this post,...make it hard for the body of this topic to stay current with the title, and we'd probably never reach an agreeing state. I guess best thing maybe is for you to ignore me and I ignore you? Idk...?

I don't really care what or how often you post. My post is really not for you. It is just important to point out from time to time for those who are reading your posts and may think that you actually have something to offer by posting mindless methods. They don't work. As Adulay pointed out:

One would think that with the apparent wealth of live baccarat data available here from various members, you would be able to "test" your money management system well before heading off into the trenches for real.

Who takes a new MM or playing strategy right into the casino without substantial testing, especially for a long weekend??

I'm sure many members would volunteer a card or two for you to test on.

AD

It's obvious you are just a gambler. You just feed off the action. Gamblers are notorious liars in self denial.

Archer

Even the worst ideas, could, lead to promising ones.

R/S

Originally Posted by now here

Even the worst ideas, could, lead to promising ones.

R/S

Quite true. In fact the worse they are the more likely it is to find better ones! And his are BAD so he can only go up!

People a lot smarter than me have been studying this game for decades. If the game was as easy as simple stuff like his the game wouldn't exist.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

I don't really care what or how often you post. My post is really not for you. It is just important to point out from time to time for those who are reading your posts and may think that you actually have something to offer by posting mindless methods. They don't work. As Adulay pointed out: It's obvious you are just a gambler. You just feed off the action. Gamblers are notorious liars in self denial.

Archer

Do you have a method that works and has made everyone on this forum riches?

I don't think anyone has done that....yet, I believe. I'm not trying to, but, this forum is meant for people to speculate and create. Which is what I am doing here with my posts. If I hit a soft spot Archer, unintentionally, undirectly, I apologize....sincerely.

Gamblers can be self destructing, negative people, who cause more harm to themselves than the others around them. Though, they cause harm to those who are grasped in their vortex of self destruction. Yeah, they do lie and deny. Gamblers also think they can really beat a game 100% designed to be unbeatable, by any means other than cheating....sounds like us here at the baccarat forum right? Nothing really "works". Baccarat cannot be beaten in the long run....if no one on this forum accepts that, then we are all gamblers. If we weren't gamblers, we wouldn't be here and their would be no baccarat forum. Right? But, we don't have to be lying self destructing gamblers in self denial. We can be educated gamblers. We are aware of the odds, trends, money management, progressons, .....when to break. Etc. We can have fun, make money (hopefully), learn something about probability we didn't know before...etc.

Let's have peace Archer. We're all here trying to feed our unacceptance that we really cannot beat this game. Even my so called "ultimate system" started to loose...after I thought it was unbeatable....after hundreds of tests....(I posted this in that thread when I first started it...that I started getting losses.).

If I want to go to the casino and test some of my own methods, with my own money (when I have the liberty, and more than enough money to do so) that in no way warrants me the label "Notorious lying gambler in self denial".

I can't force you to do anything other than what you want to do....I can only hope we find peace some way.

Hi everyone,
I tested Neverdie14 system based on 950 live casino shoes and the results were not good. Sorry neverdie, I hope you don't mind - I just applied your method into my simulation program and after 950 shoes (approx 64000 hands), I got a -166 units.
I will just post 100 shoes because we are dealing with huge data here. I will post my entire simulation program into rapidshare and you guys can download from there if you are interested. I will post the link later.

Legend:-
l = Lost
w = Win
3 = bet 3 units and won
X = bet 3 units and lost



Shoe 1 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwwwlXwlwwwwwwwwllXlll3wwllwwlXlll3wwwlwlwwlXw llwwl3wwwllwl3lwllXll 1
Shoe 2 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3lwwlwwwl3lwwll3lllXlwllXwll -5
Shoe 3 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwwwwll3wlwww 10
Shoe 4 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwlwwwl3wwwwllwl3 10
Shoe 5 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwwwl3lwwll3wllwlXllwwlXllwwwlXll -5
Shoe 6 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwllX -5
Shoe 7 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwlwwwl3lll3lwlwwwwl3 10
Shoe 8 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3llwwwwwwlXlwlwl3wlwll3wlwllXwwlwll3lllXlwll3l wwlwlXl -5
Shoe 9 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwlX -5
Shoe 10 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3lwwwll3wwwwlwwlwlXllwwwwwlXwlllXlwwwwll3lwwwll 3wlwwllXwwwlwlww 6
Shoe 11 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwlXwwlll -5
Shoe 12 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwlwwwwlwwlXlllXwllwl3wlwwll3wlwll3lwwlwl3lwllXlw wwwwlwl3lwwlwl3 11
Shoe 13 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwlwwwl3lwwwlwlXwllwl3wwllwwwl3 10
Shoe 14 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwwlwwl3lllXwwllwwwl3llwl3lll3lll3lwlwlXllwwwlX wwwlwwwllXwwl 1
Shoe 15 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwll3lwwlwl3llwwl3w 10
Shoe 16 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwlwl3wlwwwlwl3wwlww 10
Shoe 17 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwwl3llwwl3wwwllwww 10
Shoe 18 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlll3lwwwll3wllwlXwwwwwwlwwllXlwwlwlXlwlwlXl -5
Shoe 19 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 20 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwllXwll -5
Shoe 21 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwwwlwlXlllX -6
Shoe 22 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwllXlwwwwwlwl3wwllwlXllwl3wlwwwllXwlwwwll3wwwwl wllXwwwwlll3wwww 10
Shoe 23 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwlwlXwwllwl3wwwwwwlwll3wlww 10
Shoe 24 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwlwwwllXwwwlllXwwlll3wlwlwl3lwlwlXlwwlwwlXl wll -5
Shoe 25 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlllX -5
Shoe 26 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwll3wwwwwllwwl3 10
Shoe 27 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwwl3wlwllXwllwwl3wlll3wlwllXwwwlwll3lwwwwwllXw lwlwwwwwwlXwwlll3wlwlwl3 10
Shoe 28 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwl3wllwwl3wlwlwwlXwwwwwwlllXwwwwwlllXlwllXl -5
Shoe 29 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwlwlXwlll3lwllX -6
Shoe 30 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwlXll -5
Shoe 31 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwllwwwl3lwlwwww 10
Shoe 32 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwlwwlwlXllwlX -5
Shoe 33 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwwll3lll3lll3wlll3lwllXwlllXl -5
Shoe 34 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwwl3wwlwlwwlXwlllXwwllwl3wllwl3lwwll3wwwlwlwlXw lwlwwl3wllwl3lll3l 8
Shoe 35 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwll3lll3lwwlwwlXwwwlll3wlwlwwwl3lll3lwllXlll3llw wl3wwllwwwl3 10
Shoe 36 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwwlwll3wllwwl3llwww 10
Shoe 37 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwlXwlll -5
Shoe 38 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlllX -5
Shoe 39 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwllXl -5
Shoe 40 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3wllwwlXwwwwlwwll3wllwlXllwlX -5
Shoe 41 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 42 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlllX -5
Shoe 43 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3wlllXwwlwllX -7
Shoe 44 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwlwl3lwwlwwwww 10
Shoe 45 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 46 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 47 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlllXl -5
Shoe 48 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwl3lllXwlwll -5
Shoe 49 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwll3llwwl3lllXlll -5
Shoe 50 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlllXwwwwlwllX -5
Shoe 51 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 52 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwlwlwlXwlllX -5
Shoe 53 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3wwwwllwl3wlwwww 10
Shoe 54 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlll3wllwwl3lwlwlXwlwwlwl3wwwlwllXwwwwwwww 10
Shoe 55 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 56 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwwlwwwwl3w 10
Shoe 57 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwll3wwlllXllwlX -6
Shoe 58 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwllXl -5
Shoe 59 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwwwwlwwwl3 10
Shoe 60 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwl3wwwlll3lll3lwwwlwwwlXlwwll3lll3lwwllXwwwwwlww ll3lww 10
Shoe 61 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwwwlXlwwll3lllX -6
Shoe 62 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwlwlwl3wlwwll3lww 10
Shoe 63 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 64 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwwwlll3wlwlwwl3 10
Shoe 65 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwllXl -5
Shoe 66 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwwlwwwlXlwwlwl3lwwwwww 10
Shoe 67 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwlwwwl3lllXwlwwwlwwl3www 10
Shoe 68 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwllX -5
Shoe 69 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 70 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwl3wwwllwl3ww 10
Shoe 71 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwlwlXlll -5
Shoe 72 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3lwlwwlXwlwwllX -6
Shoe 73 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwl3wlllXwwlwwlwl3lwlwwwwwwl3llwlXwwwlwllXwlwwll Xwwllwl3wwlwwwwwwlw 9
Shoe 74 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwllX -5
Shoe 75 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwlXlwllX -7
Shoe 76 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwlwwlXwlwlwwwwwlXlwwwll3lwwwlwlXwwwlll3lwlwwl3www ww 10
Shoe 77 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 78 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 79 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 80 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwlwwllXlwllX -5
Shoe 81 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwll3wlwlwlXwlllXl -5
Shoe 82 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwlwlXlwwlwl3wwwwlwllXwwwwwlll3lwwwlwl3w 10
Shoe 83 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwlwllXllwwwwlXwlwwlwwwwwwl3wwlwwll3lll3lwlwl3 11
Shoe 84 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwlwl3lllXwlwwwlwlX -5
Shoe 85 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwwlXwlll -5
Shoe 86 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwwlwlwwwlXlwwwlwwwwlXwlll3wwlwll3llwwwlXwwllwww ww 10
Shoe 87 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwwlll3wlwwwwlwlXwlwlwl3lll3lwwlwlXlwwwwwllXlwll 3wwwww 10
Shoe 88 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwlwllXwwlllX -5
Shoe 89 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlll3lwlwlXwlll -5
Shoe 90 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwll3llwlXlwwwwllXwll -5
Shoe 91 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlllXwwwwlwwllXwlwwll3lwll3lllX -6
Shoe 92 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwl3wwlwwlwlXwlwwll3lwwwll3wlll3wwllwl3 10
Shoe 93 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwllXl -5
Shoe 94 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwwwl3lllXlll -5
Shoe 95 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwl3llwwlXllwl3lwwwwlwl3llwl3lwllXwwwwlwll3llwlX lllX -6
Shoe 96 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwwwlXlll -5
Shoe 97 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwwlwwlwl3wlww 10
Shoe 98 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwl3wwlllXlll3lll3llwl3wllwwlXwllwl3wwwwllwwwwl Xwwlwwwlwl3wwl 8
Shoe 99 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwwwwl3wlllXlll3wwwlwwlwwwwlXwwlllXwwwllwlXll -5
Shoe 100 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwwlXwllwwwlXwlwwwwllX -5

Hi everyone,
Here's the link:-
http://rapidshare.com/files/29854642...e_Betting_.xls

To run this program:-
0. Very important. TIE must be omitted. Otherwise the program will fail.
1. Make sure you allow excel to run Macro
2. Enter the stop win/lost value. For this testing, I have set 10 and -5
3. Then place your cursor at C6 and highlight to where ever you want the program to stop i.e. C6 ... C76 (This will only run shoe 1)
4. Results will appear on the right hand column.

I hope I understood Neverdie rules well. If not, just let me know.

Cheers,
HLKHOO

Originally Posted by hlkhoo

Hi everyone,
I tested Neverdie14 system based on 950 live casino shoes and the results were not good. Sorry neverdie, I hope you don't mind - I just applied your method into my simulation program and after 950 shoes (approx 64000 hands), I got a -166 units.
I will just post 100 shoes because we are dealing with huge data here. I will post my entire simulation program into rapidshare and you guys can download from there if you are interested. I will post the link later.

Legend:-
l = Lost
w = Win
3 = bet 3 units and won
X = bet 3 units and lost



Shoe 1 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwwwlXwlwwwwwwwwllXlll3wwllwwlXlll3wwwlwlwwlXw llwwl3wwwllwl3lwllXll 1
Shoe 2 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3lwwlwwwl3lwwll3lllXlwllXwll -5
Shoe 3 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwwwwll3wlwww 10
Shoe 4 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwlwwwl3wwwwllwl3 10
Shoe 5 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwwwl3lwwll3wllwlXllwwlXllwwwlXll -5
Shoe 6 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwllX -5
Shoe 7 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwlwwwl3lll3lwlwwwwl3 10
Shoe 8 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3llwwwwwwlXlwlwl3wlwll3wlwllXwwlwll3lllXlwll3l wwlwlXl -5
Shoe 9 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwlX -5
Shoe 10 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3lwwwll3wwwwlwwlwlXllwwwwwlXwlllXlwwwwll3lwwwll 3wlwwllXwwwlwlww 6
Shoe 11 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwlXwwlll -5
Shoe 12 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwlwwwwlwwlXlllXwllwl3wlwwll3wlwll3lwwlwl3lwllXlw wwwwlwl3lwwlwl3 11
Shoe 13 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwlwwwl3lwwwlwlXwllwl3wwllwwwl3 10
Shoe 14 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwwlwwl3lllXwwllwwwl3llwl3lll3lll3lwlwlXllwwwlX wwwlwwwllXwwl 1
Shoe 15 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwll3lwwlwl3llwwl3w 10
Shoe 16 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwlwl3wlwwwlwl3wwlww 10
Shoe 17 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwwl3llwwl3wwwllwww 10
Shoe 18 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlll3lwwwll3wllwlXwwwwwwlwwllXlwwlwlXlwlwlXl -5
Shoe 19 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 20 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwllXwll -5
Shoe 21 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwwwlwlXlllX -6
Shoe 22 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwllXlwwwwwlwl3wwllwlXllwl3wlwwwllXwlwwwll3wwwwl wllXwwwwlll3wwww 10
Shoe 23 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwlwlXwwllwl3wwwwwwlwll3wlww 10
Shoe 24 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwlwwwllXwwwlllXwwlll3wlwlwl3lwlwlXlwwlwwlXl wll -5
Shoe 25 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlllX -5
Shoe 26 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwll3wwwwwllwwl3 10
Shoe 27 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwwl3wlwllXwllwwl3wlll3wlwllXwwwlwll3lwwwwwllXw lwlwwwwwwlXwwlll3wlwlwl3 10
Shoe 28 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwl3wllwwl3wlwlwwlXwwwwwwlllXwwwwwlllXlwllXl -5
Shoe 29 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwlwlXwlll3lwllX -6
Shoe 30 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwlXll -5
Shoe 31 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwllwwwl3lwlwwww 10
Shoe 32 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwlwwlwlXllwlX -5
Shoe 33 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwwll3lll3lll3wlll3lwllXwlllXl -5
Shoe 34 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwwl3wwlwlwwlXwlllXwwllwl3wllwl3lwwll3wwwlwlwlXw lwlwwl3wllwl3lll3l 8
Shoe 35 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwll3lll3lwwlwwlXwwwlll3wlwlwwwl3lll3lwllXlll3llw wl3wwllwwwl3 10
Shoe 36 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwwlwll3wllwwl3llwww 10
Shoe 37 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwlXwlll -5
Shoe 38 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlllX -5
Shoe 39 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwllXl -5
Shoe 40 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3wllwwlXwwwwlwwll3wllwlXllwlX -5
Shoe 41 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 42 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlllX -5
Shoe 43 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3wlllXwwlwllX -7
Shoe 44 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwlwl3lwwlwwwww 10
Shoe 45 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 46 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 47 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlllXl -5
Shoe 48 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwl3lllXwlwll -5
Shoe 49 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwll3llwwl3lllXlll -5
Shoe 50 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlllXwwwwlwllX -5
Shoe 51 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 52 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwlwlwlXwlllX -5
Shoe 53 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwll3wwwwllwl3wlwwww 10
Shoe 54 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlll3wllwwl3lwlwlXwlwwlwl3wwwlwllXwwwwwwww 10
Shoe 55 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 56 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwwlwwwwl3w 10
Shoe 57 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwll3wwlllXllwlX -6
Shoe 58 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwllXl -5
Shoe 59 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwwwwlwwwl3 10
Shoe 60 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwl3wwwlll3lll3lwwwlwwwlXlwwll3lll3lwwllXwwwwwlww ll3lww 10
Shoe 61 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwwwlXlwwll3lllX -6
Shoe 62 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwlwlwl3wlwwll3lww 10
Shoe 63 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 64 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwwwlll3wlwlwwl3 10
Shoe 65 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwllXl -5
Shoe 66 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwwlwwwlXlwwlwl3lwwwwww 10
Shoe 67 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwwwlwwwl3lllXwlwwwlwwl3www 10
Shoe 68 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwllX -5
Shoe 69 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 70 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwl3wwwllwl3ww 10
Shoe 71 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwlwlXlll -5
Shoe 72 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3lwlwwlXwlwwllX -6
Shoe 73 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwl3wlllXwwlwwlwl3lwlwwwwwwl3llwlXwwwlwllXwlwwll Xwwllwl3wwlwwwwwwlw 9
Shoe 74 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwllX -5
Shoe 75 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwllwlXlwllX -7
Shoe 76 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwlwwlXwlwlwwwwwlXlwwwll3lwwwlwlXwwwlll3lwlwwl3www ww 10
Shoe 77 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 78 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 79 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lllX -6
Shoe 80 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwlwwllXlwllX -5
Shoe 81 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwwll3wlwlwlXwlllXl -5
Shoe 82 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwwwlwlXlwwlwl3wwwwlwllXwwwwwlll3lwwwlwl3w 10
Shoe 83 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwlwllXllwwwwlXwlwwlwwwwwwl3wwlwwll3lll3lwlwl3 11
Shoe 84 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lwlwl3lllXwlwwwlwlX -5
Shoe 85 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwwlXwlll -5
Shoe 86 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwwlwlwwwlXlwwwlwwwwlXwlll3wwlwll3llwwwlXwwllwww ww 10
Shoe 87 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwwlll3wlwwwwlwlXwlwlwl3lll3lwwlwlXlwwwwwllXlwll 3wwwww 10
Shoe 88 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwwwlwllXwwlllX -5
Shoe 89 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlll3lwlwlXwlll -5
Shoe 90 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlwll3llwlXlwwwwllXwll -5
Shoe 91 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwlllXwwwwlwwllXwlwwll3lwll3lllX -6
Shoe 92 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwl3wwlwwlwlXwlwwll3lwwwll3wlll3wwllwl3 10
Shoe 93 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wlwllXl -5
Shoe 94 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwwwl3lllXlll -5
Shoe 95 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wllwl3llwwlXllwl3lwwwwlwl3llwl3lwllXwwwwlwll3llwlX lllX -6
Shoe 96 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwwwlXlll -5
Shoe 97 - Total Wins/Lost:-- lll3wwwwwlwwlwl3wlww 10
Shoe 98 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwl3wwlllXlll3lll3llwl3wllwwlXwllwl3wwwwllwwwwl Xwwlwwwlwl3wwl 8
Shoe 99 - Total Wins/Lost:-- llwwwwwl3wlllXlll3wwwlwwlwwwwlXwwlllXwwwllwlXll -5
Shoe 100 - Total Wins/Lost:-- wwllwwlXwllwwwlXwlwwwwllX -5

Hey man, don't apologize! If the system doesn't work in the long run, it doesn't work. Let me look this over to see if you at least have the rules right.