Grab The Gold Shoes

[John1234]

(Unless John1234 or malcop were Grab in-disguise from the beginning.)

Now that is a twist. haha conspriacy theories form even on baccarat forums now.
But wait...maybe I am Garnabby. This is getting real confusing.

[Bryan]

as it a matter of public information now, we know that malcop had pursued it, and is now teamed up with John1234 at www.sniperbaccarat.com ... both "selling something" which appears to have nothing to do with Grab, or his "work". (Unless John1234 or malcop were Grab in-disguise from the beginning.) So why not ask malcop for "scoop" (about why it's no longer about charity, etc, also with him)?

John, quite surprise to hear that. You are selling something as well.

[John1234]

yes I do. but I am not out to scam anybody. Actually I was giving the original idea out to people for free for awhile. I made a private group and I invited a lot of people to join. A lot of people turned down my invitation and one person accused me of being too young to you make a winning system. I think that is just insane. It turns out that only about 8 people were interested in the system. I sat back and looked at the situation and something just seemed odd to me about that. People come here for winning systems and you offer them something for free and they don't want it because you are too young or they want it but won't follow the directions. Anyway, I don't try to force the system upon anyone. If someone doesn't want to buy it then that is great for them. there are a lot of ways to win this game..you are proof of that. Everything that you said in your posts about timing and so on are probably the most important skills to have that nobody can sell.

[Bryan]

yes I do. but I am not out to scam anybody. Actually I was giving the original idea out to people for free for awhile. I made a private group and I invited a lot of people to join. A lot of people turned down my invitation and one person accused me of being too young to you make a winning system. I think that is just insane. It turns out that only about 8 people were interested in the system. I sat back and looked at the situation and something just seemed odd to me about that. People come here for winning systems and you offer them something for free and they don't want it because you are too young or they want it but won't follow the directions. Anyway, I don't try to force the system upon anyone. If someone doesn't want to buy it then that is great for them. there are a lot of ways to win this game..you are proof of that. Everything that you said in your posts about timing and so on are probably the most important skills to have that nobody can sell.

Age has nothing to do with making a winning/losing strategy (you know it, I don't like system as there is never one that is winning).

Can I ask the system that you are selling is the same target-based system that you are playing now (cos, you mentioned that you play two systems)?

[John1234]

yea but some people think that age has a lot to do with it.

yes the system that I am selling is the target based system that I am playing. I also play a couple of the btc systems just to change things up and because i like them.

[Bryan]

yea but some people think that age has a lot to do with it.

yes the system that I am selling is the target based system that I am playing. I also play a couple of the btc systems just to change things up and because i like them.

That's the problem. People think that you should get wiser as you grow older and that's not true, as least in casino..... you can see so many old folk throwing money down the drain every day.

Just too bad I came in a bit late, if not, will have a chance to take a look at what you had. I have a lot of interest in such target based system because I always believe that is the way to bet.... But, looking at your price tag, I guess I will give it a go .

[John1234]

yea you are right about that. A few weeks ago I saw an older man in a wheelchair throw away about $15,000 in 20 minutes. He left the table like nothing even happened. I was happy leaving up $200 haha, probably only 1/10 of what he was betting per hand.

The initial system ended up being a loser anyway so it does not matter that much. I can barely even remember what it was. I had a manual typed up but vanished after my computer crashed a month ago.

what I remember was I used two triggers (which I cannot say here) and I only followed the bank side using a 2,1,1, progression. I would play until I lost all 3 bets then wait for the trigger to appear again. I had some shoes that got as high as 40 units. And I used a -10 stop loss. but it just didn't hold up in the long run.

I obviously don't play that system anymore. And with my systems I only flat bet. But after learning a few progressions over on the btc forum I am going to start to use a progression because my win rate will skyrocket after taking advantage of the LWLW patterns.

[Ellis]

yes I do. but I am not out to scam anybody. Actually I was giving the original idea out to people for free for awhile. I made a private group and I invited a lot of people to join. A lot of people turned down my invitation and one person accused me of being too young to you make a winning system. I think that is just insane. It turns out that only about 8 people were interested in the system. I sat back and looked at the situation and something just seemed odd to me about that. People come here for winning systems and you offer them something for free and they don't want it because you are too young or they want it but won't follow the directions. Anyway, I don't try to force the system upon anyone. If someone doesn't want to buy it then that is great for them. there are a lot of ways to win this game..you are proof of that. Everything that you said in your posts about timing and so on are probably the most important skills to have that nobody can sell.

This business is far more difficult than most perceive and starting from scratch with no reputation is darn near impossible.

I don't think that age has much to do with anything either but experience does. Sometimes the two go hand in hand. Sometimes not. Yes, there are multiple ways to win. But there are far more ways to lose than to win. One advantage of experience is that an experienced player has already rejected many ways to lose. Yet he helplessly sees them get reinvented over and over by flash in the pans with no experience. Eventually you learn to stick with experience proven approaches - the sooner the better, and build on those.

Please be very careful at BTC. Yes, there are full time players who are highly confident and play with much gusto. But they didn't start out that way. They evolved into it through hard work and table experience.

A motor cycle jumper does not start with 20 barrels - he starts with one. I think its a mistake to think YOU can do it just because you saw HIM do it. But always remember that he STARTED with one barrel.

There are plenty of guys there who are highly successful playing 2 to 5 highs. THEY should be your models right now. You are young. You can always add more barrels later. The last thing you want to do right now is hit the last barrel. You don't need a hospital stay right now. Get that down pat first. THEN think about higher horizons.

[John1234]

don't think that age has much to do with anything either but experience does.

Very true. I have come a long way since I first started playing baccarat, a lot of this is a result of playing a lot of games.

in the case of my systems, you don't exactly need experience because they do not follow the p/b outcomes. and my partner has way more experience than I do so that is already covered so that part of it is already covered.

You make a good point, and I pay very close attention to what you and some of your experienced members have to say. I learned more in a week on your forum then I learned on my own. One great thing about your forum is that I and other members can easily feed off the experience of you and your member which makes us all better.

[Archer]

Hey "EINSTEIN" what is your problem? I know I speak for myself and many others who have Emailed me, they are REALLY tired of your unproductive REMARKS, so put a "SOCK" in it. Nobody cares about what you have to say anymore, you have totally discredited yourself ... you have been "Challenged" by me earlier in this thread, either answer the "Challenge" or be quiet! It's really a wonder that anyone even tries to place a POST here without being "Thrashed" by Mr. "Garnabby" our RESIDENT NUT JOB.

You have contributed ZIP as far as any methods I can see, thus, YOU are the one whom has not substantiated anything from your dubious posts, so who are YOU to make any remarks here? As far as I am concerned you are just a "Wanna-Be", a self-proclaimed EXPERT, LOL, yeah right! Put your money on the table PAL, I'm READY to take you on, let's see if you have the balls to go with that BIG mouth of yours!

I apologize the other members reading this, but I have had just about enough of "Mr. EINSTEIN" here! Clearly, he hasn't "Got it to GO!"

Nuff said!

For those of you awaiting my complete breakdown of my METHOD as promised earlier today in my POST, please PRIVATE MESSAGE ME and I will select to whom my METHOD will go out to; I had planned to POST it this evening, but I will NO LONGER POST my research for guys like this to profit while criticizing me at the same time; thus if you are NOT one of the people I select to receive it, you can thank MR GARNABBY for that, he just ruined that opportunity for you! For those of you who will get the opportunity, once you see these final DIAGRAMS you will be convinced of the efficiency of these methods and will marvel at how well it really does work!

A final thought. I have made a sincere effort for the membership to view a different prospective on playing this game, the game can be BEATEN, and is being BEATEN by ME and my CLIENTS all the time, but I refuse to any longer to put up with this kind of nonsense from folks who clearly have NO sincere interest in trying it. My time is at a premium, I own a "High Tech" company, I'm a Published Author and Screenwriter, a SEASONED GAMBLER, and quite frankly, I no longer have the patience to endure people whose only goal is to CRITIQUE rather than experiment. I have done my best here, I have substantiated everything in POSTS, Demos, Email's, PRIVATE MESSAGES, and the like, but now I must say that I no longer have the time for nonsense from people like this, I have many other things that I'd rather be doing. I would like to think that I have made some contribution here, but only the members who were steadfast and willing to experiment will know whether I did or not, they know who they are! And, I'm VERY sure that most of them will be converts once they master the MGM! (Thanks for the Acronym ARCHER!) I know that many of you out there still have many questions, but I simply haven't the the tolerance for guys like Mr. Garnabby, thus, I am limiting my dialogue to those whom have shown a sincere interest through Emails and Private Messages previous to this posting.

Most of my methods will be coming out in a NEW book I wrote on Baccarat which has been copywritten last year and will be published very soon, I'm taking some time with my publisher to make some final EDITS, it will be my second published book on gaming, give it a READ, in addition to having my methods explained, it has great stories about my TRIPS to European Casinos, Indian Casinos, a lot of interesting places, it's a FUN READ!

This is my FINAL POST on this Forum for assuredly a long time if not indefinately, my thanks to those who showed an interest and supported my posts, I wish you all well in your Baccarat endeavors!

"The SECRET was always there for those who really wanted to see it!"

GTG

I guess the above was the last post of Frits Dunki-Jacobs. Following how the saga continued. As stated GTG (Frits) did invite a group of players which ultimately numbered ten I believe. I, of course, was one of them and that is why I have not commented until now.

Though we all jumped through a few hoops Frits ultimately did release the bet placements for “MGM”which took him years (ahem) to “divine.” And all for no investment whatsoever as he stated. No sooner did we all examine, practice and begin to learn to play then Frits announced he desired to change or tweak the method. It was unclear why but soon after Frits came up with the Tweak and called it “Streamliner” and decided that the method needed testing. Unfortunately Frits did not have the expertise to test so he told the group that “we” needed to purchase a new computer AND hire a programmer to develop software for this new tweak. Okay . . . I now have egg on my face! He convinced the members to make this “donation” or else they would be out of the group. Most complied. I kicked in about 300 bucks or so but others went in for much more.

After considerable waiting an automatic play software was in fact forthcoming which would play this new “Streamliner.” Frits put in 100 shoes (it only took 100 shoes at a time) and it did turn a 6% profit. The caveat was that it used a progression betting method and the losing shoes were rather large while the winning shoes were small but outnumbered the losing shoes to get a positive win. That was a red flag for me. (sidebar: when testing methods I believe it is important to have the big losses offset by similar wins in kind else we got nothing).

Well go figure! Not a few weeks passed when our leader decided that Streamliner was NOT sufficient either! So he introduced a new tweak and called it “Break and Shift.” Now understand that all these methods to date are basically the same concept that he outlined in his public emails. IOW, look back and bet the next 4 or 5 hands follow or chop and when win stay follow or chop respectively. So much for the years it took him to develop the bet placement and win every shoe!

So now he’s got Break and Shift which deems the software test work obsolete because it doesn’t work with this new iteration. If that were the end of it. . . . nope! Cut to the chase – he doesn’t like that version either! We now got:

MGM
STREAMLINER
TRENDSETTER SOFTWARE
BREAK AND SHIFT VER 5.42
BREAK AND SHIFT VER 6.01
BREAK AND SHIFT VER. 7.6
BREAK AND SHIFT VER. 21.6

Yep! Three more versions of this latest method come out. In the meantime I do believe he was able to get more money from some of the players but am not sure. But then everything goes dead and well, I for one am surprised when a few months later we hear from Frits again announcing that he has the “Final Method.” Of course this method never loses a shoe and is available for the paltry sum of $325.00!!!

On March 11, 2011 Frits wrote:
"The latest "Method" I produced was on my own, had nothing to do with the "Group", you guys don't own my INTELLIGENCE. All the project stuff has been finished months ago, I do not OWE the "Group" anything, to make that Implication is utter nonsense. I merely notified the Group that a "Method" that I was working on would soon be completed, that's it, the GROUP never owned that Intellectual property."

I don’t want Egalite saying “I told you so.” Even though I deserve it! Well for my initial small investment I thought it would be fun to be involved in a private group testing stuff and if it didn’t work out then I would not care so much. Frits did say no guarantees and I never expected any.

So I told Frits that fine – send me a refund or the method. I would prefer the money but I only have myself to blame so I will take the method and add it to my many method files.

Well, nobody is getting money back and Frits is going to sell this “holy grail” for $20,000.00 to “celebrity poker players.”. It only cost us $325.00 because Frits is such a nice guy! What a bargain!

My idea is to inform the public as to Frits Dunki-Jacobs. My only recourse.

Archer

[pitty1]

I guess the above was the last post of Frits Dunki-Jacobs. Following how the saga continued. As stated GTG (Frits) did invite a group of players which ultimately numbered ten I believe. I, of course, was one of them and that is why I have not commented until now.

Though we all jumped through a few hoops Frits ultimately did release the bet placements for “MGM”which took him years (ahem) to “divine.” And all for no investment whatsoever as he stated. No sooner did we all examine, practice and begin to learn to play then Frits announced he desired to change or tweak the method. It was unclear why but soon after Frits came up with the Tweak and called it “Streamliner” and decided that the method needed testing. Unfortunately Frits did not have the expertise to test so he told the group that “we” needed to purchase a new computer AND hire a programmer to develop software for this new tweak. Okay . . . I now have egg on my face! He convinced the members to make this “donation” or else they would be out of the group. Most complied. I kicked in about 300 bucks or so but others went in for much more.

After considerable waiting an automatic play software was in fact forthcoming which would play this new “Streamliner.” Frits put in 100 shoes (it only took 100 shoes at a time) and it did turn a 6% profit. The caveat was that it used a progression betting method and the losing shoes were rather large while the winning shoes were small but outnumbered the losing shoes to get a positive win. That was a red flag for me. (sidebar: when testing methods I believe it is important to have the big losses offset by similar wins in kind else we got nothing).

Well go figure! Not a few weeks passed when our leader decided that Streamliner was NOT sufficient either! So he introduced a new tweak and called it “Break and Shift.” Now understand that all these methods to date are basically the same concept that he outlined in his public emails. IOW, look back and bet the next 4 or 5 hands follow or chop and when win stay follow or chop respectively. So much for the years it took him to develop the bet placement and win every shoe!

So now he’s got Break and Shift which deems the software test work obsolete because it doesn’t work with this new iteration. If that were the end of it. . . . nope! Cut to the chase – he doesn’t like that version either! We now got:

MGM
STREAMLINER
TRENDSETTER SOFTWARE
BREAK AND SHIFT VER 5.42
BREAK AND SHIFT VER 6.01
BREAK AND SHIFT VER. 7.6
BREAK AND SHIFT VER. 21.6

Yep! Three more versions of this latest method come out. In the meantime I do believe he was able to get more money from some of the players but am not sure. But then everything goes dead and well, I for one am surprised when a few months later we hear from Frits again announcing that he has the “Final Method.” Of course this method never loses a shoe and is available for the paltry sum of $325.00!!!

On March 11, 2011 Frits wrote:
"The latest "Method" I produced was on my own, had nothing to do with the "Group", you guys don't own my INTELLIGENCE. All the project stuff has been finished months ago, I do not OWE the "Group" anything, to make that Implication is utter nonsense. I merely notified the Group that a "Method" that I was working on would soon be completed, that's it, the GROUP never owned that Intellectual property."

I don’t want Egalite saying “I told you so.” Even though I deserve it! Well for my initial small investment I thought it would be fun to be involved in a private group testing stuff and if it didn’t work out then I would not care so much. Frits did say no guarantees and I never expected any.

So I told Frits that fine – send me a refund or the method. I would prefer the money but I only have myself to blame so I will take the method and add it to my many method files.

Well, nobody is getting money back and Frits is going to sell this “holy grail” for $20,000.00 to “celebrity poker players.”. It only cost us $325.00 because Frits is such a nice guy! What a bargain!

My idea is to inform the public as to Frits Dunki-Jacobs. My only recourse.

Archer

Oh man...say it aint so..GTG a scam?...Well good to know the name behind the system..at one point rummaging thru the posts..i started to get the smell of maverick behind the name...thats good to know...I didn't get picked out of the litter but tried various patterns on my own..My take away of the whole pattern bit was to drop an oddball hop bet just in case the pattern did not follow the assumption of the trend of the shoe based on results of the previous hands...Avg shoes i play throw both combinations of streak chops and streak repeats per shoe with the only advantage if they stay on one side or other you got a chance..its when they blend together..you strike out..My only regret of me trial testings over this matter is that i may have to kiss Garnys knobby knees for all his hecklings....Nahhh..As For GTG...He can FOFF..

[ADulay]

Unfortunately Frits did not have the expertise to test so he told the group that “we” needed to purchase a new computer AND hire a programmer to develop software for this new tweak. Okay . . . I now have egg on my face! He convinced the members to make this “donation” or else they would be out of the group. Most complied. I kicked in about 300 bucks or so but others went in for much more.

We now got:

MGM
STREAMLINER
TRENDSETTER SOFTWARE
BREAK AND SHIFT VER 5.42
BREAK AND SHIFT VER 6.01
BREAK AND SHIFT VER. 7.6
BREAK AND SHIFT VER. 21.6

Archer

Archer,

Thanks for the "rest of the story" with regards to that Fritz guy.

I somehow got invited to that group also but was "dropped" by Fritz when I didn't pony up the first of the "requests" for money, I believe it went to some kind of animal shelter or something.

I've still got the multipage "confidentiality agreement" that we were all supposed to sign and mail to him. It was about that time I was dropped so it never got sent out.

Every now and then I would wonder just what happened to that group and if he actually managed to pull off that convoluted grid thing he was working on. The obvious flaw in it was the progression and the fact that basically it was a simple moving grid type of system.

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for the update and I can put that old case to rest now.

AD

[Archer]

Archer,

Thanks for the "rest of the story" with regards to that Fritz guy.

I somehow got invited to that group also but was "dropped" by Fritz when I didn't pony up the first of the "requests" for money, I believe it went to some kind of animal shelter or something.

I've still got the multipage "confidentiality agreement" that we were all supposed to sign and mail to him. It was about that time I was dropped so it never got sent out.

Every now and then I would wonder just what happened to that group and if he actually managed to pull off that convoluted grid thing he was working on. The obvious flaw in it was the progression and the fact that basically it was a simple moving grid type of system.

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for the update and I can put that old case to rest now.

AD

Yeah, the animal shelter was the first hook. Very clever back door. Yeah, the progression dug you deeper.

As a trender I was always intrigued with his concept of trying to guess 1 out of 4 or 5 of the next hands. This in order to reduce the ratio of losses in a row. This to see if a mechanical prog might be able to over come the number of 5 losses in a row to 1,2,3, and 4 in a row.

I ran a program on the first MGM which we were all supposed to "marvel" at. No good! By that time I was already pot committed so - LOL. Back to the drawing board on that concept!

I never played it for real. Some guys did and it is my understanding that at least one member lost a real bundle. I stick with my stuff but am always interested in other angles:-) Information is good and there is always something to learn. Just that I don't like to pay for it!

Archer

[Archer]

Oh man...say it aint so..GTG a scam?...Well good to know the name behind the system..at one point rummaging thru the posts..i started to get the smell of maverick behind the name...thats good to know...I didn't get picked out of the litter but tried various patterns on my own..My take away of the whole pattern bit was to drop an oddball hop bet just in case the pattern did not follow the assumption of the trend of the shoe based on results of the previous hands...Avg shoes i play throw both combinations of streak chops and streak repeats per shoe with the only advantage if they stay on one side or other you got a chance..its when they blend together..you strike out..My only regret of me trial testings over this matter is that i may have to kiss Garnys knobby knees for all his hecklings....Nahhh..As For GTG...He can FOFF..

You crack me up! Frits' theory was (and is) that the shoe will return to "average" so the "oddball hop bet" (good moniker) would get the change more often than not. NOT!

After a win you followed the repeat win or repeat chop until you lost so in shoes with long streaks or chops you could do well. But the grid stuff is just a crap shoot and really all about betting. As Stetson Bailey pointed out in his Craps book you could do just as well looking back and guessing single side betting, XXYY chop betting, TBL, OTBL, etc. Just pick what has happened and hope it happens again. The rest is triyng to win more money on the winning bets than on the losing bets with bet styles. Fun to fool around with.

A