Grab The Gold Shoes

[sdf1492]

I for one appreciate the work that GTG has put in to these threads. This is a line of thinking I don't think I would have come up with on my own.

The discussions and responses have been mature, interesting and thought provoking. Things you almost never see on an internet message board.

I would be very sorry to see this discussion ended.

[nirvana4me]

Hey folks...I have been this post for couple of months and the information contained in this post was very valuable to me...But then several uncalled posts from garnabby really pissed GTG and he decided to not post anymore...

Well I PMed him and asked him if he would be willing to help me understand his method...And guess what...he not only send me his method but he spent over an hour with me on the phone walking thru his method...And his method is mind blowing....It is in a realm of another dimension...All the systems and strategies that I have seen so far have been based on existing systems like LB or OLB or TBL or OTBL...but his method is not based on any of these...His method truely randomizes the shoe at the DP (Decision Point)....So when people were asking him to produce a bad or losing shoe, I dont see how you can lose any shoe with his method when you follow his exit point and his money management method and his betting method...It is really amazing to see the thought process that went to come up with his method...

I am very grateful that GTG has taken me under his wings and shared his method with me... and I am very sad that other people on this forum will not be able to get guidance from GTG anymore because of one person's abuse...

I would like to thank GTG again for being so kind and sharing with his method which I belive is unbeatable if followed correctly...

[Arick]

For those of us that are too new to the forum to have a chance at being one of the selected few that GTG will choose to help.... Can we get the title of the book so we can at least continue the research when it comes out in case this thread dies.

[garnabby]

Nothing new. People come, people go. You, the big businessman should have learned that a long time ago. Yet you play the "blame" card, to run away when anyone really questions/corrects you; and you seem to need help figuring out why your own system should work. Ever heard of "mind your own business", i can look the other way... just don't keep on me. Punks like you are a dime a dozen, you want the whole "show" for yourselves. Some persons can't be "bribed" with tales of success. (I have real things in my "arsenal" you obviously haven't even dreamed of.) "The kiddie game is down the street", give Ellis a call... well on second thought, he took his "Systems for sale" section down, working his way back to bj.

Archer,

As i already pointed out, Grab didn't "get his own way" with everyone... so, and like some months before when Savant questioned his methods, he abruptly stopped posting. I was one of a much smaller membership who remained back then, helping this board (, i think,) to begin to really grow. Would it have even been here for his "return" otherwise? But Grab wrote of comparing himself to someone Roosevelt(?) definitely wasn't referring to, a gambler in a casino.

From the FULL quote, "people come, people go". But this forum has been steadily growing none the less, right? Because some refused to allow it to become such a charade by which unknowing members use the information as "gospel"... only to lose, and leave the forum (for good). Furthermore, nowhere in the rules of any board (i know of) does it say, "No one may ask another questions, or question the methods of another, because that would cause the subject to quit posting." No one should be so "important".

Oh, i called him a "punk" interested only in his own material. What would you think of someone who almost immediately called all of your FINISHED stuff "nonsense", but who clearly never read, understood, or replied to any of it (, or any of the others here)? Re-read just this thread more carefully, in the order which it occurred to see if you still think i (, for whichever reason,) offensively "attacked" him. I think you'll find some of my efforts to assist him, and to later "let him down easy". Anyway, here's the dictionary entry for 'punk'. How does 1b (below) put me "out of bounds" with even you, who essentially told, eg, Neverdie14 the same thing? Or make me out to be some sort of "watchdog"... since, like you wrote earlier, i don't care who [reads/replies to] my posts. But i do strive for as much accuracy in my own work as from that of others... if i can (and will) go back and defend my own, why not others. All we have here is our words, and the only "watchdogs" are the moderators and administrators of those.
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Hey, maybe you're the "watchdog". I can laugh it off. Come on, Archer, let's put this, whatever it is, behind us. If Grab wants to get back in the real "trenches", he knows where to find us.

As for Ellis, also he continues to begin with "clues", in secrecy (for the sake of secrecy), and ultimately at a price... all which lead, of course, to virtually "never losing".

As for "proof", of what use is it to claim such things as, eg, 15 units a shoe, a significant "clientele", 90.3%, w/o respective proofs? Put it in the "Shooting the Breeze" section. But i don't recall writing that Grab was doing anyone any harm, directly at least. All that stuff seems to be coming up only now, after the fact of his "sudden" departure leaving others to the "trenches" even in his own defence.

As for the rest, we have different "values", etc, but who cares? Must one member like an other in every way before even considering each others' topics here? (As at BTC. Maybe that's part of why the ones who leave rarely complain?)

"Never" is a long time, right, and a very stupid claim to make for someone so intent on truly helping others, or exploring his own endeavors... or just to begin to participate in the discussions of others (, eg, as we're doing). Oops, i also called him "stupid". Sorry for being honest too, but in my opinion, sometimes the terms fit.

P.S. The social groups do allow for an open group, viewable to all.

[littogage]

For the past three days, I have had a rare three days in a row off from work. I was very impressed with everything that GrabTheGold shared here in this forum. I would like to share, that I have had, what I consider the unique and rare privledge to learn even more about what he was sharing here. He graciously offered phone conversation, written communication via email, as well sharing charts, examples, explanations, insights, wisdom, and par excellence in teaching and helping me. It is my view, that a good teacher teaches, and a great, wise and gifted teacher will not only teach but also inspire the student to think on their own, as well to also guide the student to research on their own, what is being taught. I understand there are those who are not used to having someone teach them this way. It was clearly evident to me, this was the manner in which he was teaching and sharing with all of us here on this forum. I liken it to being given your first car, or having to work hard and save up to pay for that first car. Yes and once again I will say, I do understand that in the past, there were those less than honorable in all of our past, that were less than honest and decent. But I refuse to let it color my future in searching for, and learning what will work, in baccarat. GrabTheGolds sharing here, was exactly what I have been looking for, and I do say looking for quite a few years. While I have learned alot of aspects, there comes a point when everyone needs help, and NO ONE makes it in this life without help from someone. His strategy opened up a brand new way of looking at how to understand, and create a great strategy, with excellent aspects of betting amounts, bet placements, win goals and loss limits, that includes a rigourous discipline, and skill in doing so. While some here concluded that too much was left out of what he shared, it is my opinion that it was too early to draw such hasty and unfair conclusions, that were not only demeaning to him, but also was demeaning to those who did so. I believe that part of the truth is not the truth. And some took that approach and projected it upon him as being the one that was leaving voids in what he shared, when in reality it was those that did not search to "the ends of the earth" on their own to find the parts that had not yet been revealed. After searching, studying, and spending the last three days, with alot of communication, information, charts, that he so generously and graciously bestowed to me, I can fully, and wholeheartedly say nothing I have ever attempted or learned in baccarat comes even close to what he shares, and I have seen quite alot from mathmathics and mathematicians. Which reminds me, that if one believes strictly in math as a universal, all encompassing truth, with no other options, does not math then become a dictator, and those that subscribe to, believe in, and argue for math become dictators of it also, becoming dictators to others, with a closed mind to any other options? Does that not then become detrimental to others that are dictated to, and also to the dictator of it? Math is an ideology that enforces one singular truth. It becomes very easy and convienent for the dictator of it to use. What GradTheGold was doing, and has done, and I don't use this phrase in a frivoulous way, is "think outside the box". Yes, math was and is a part of it, but NOT to the ideology of math being the emcompassing be all and end all of it. He (GradTheGold) clearly, and more than once told us all, the answers are there in everything that he shared, and it is. I believe the reason alot of us could not "wrap our brains around it" is that we have been so conditioned by what we perceived to learn in the past, we simply could not open our mind to what he was sharing. In a few of my previous posts here, I shared that I refuse to close my mind to others, to thoughts, to insights, to wisdom and learning. After these past three days of opening my mind and learning what GrabTheGold was sharing with all of us. I can truly say, he is right, and I have my own documented proof of it. Respectfully and honorably I submit this to this forum.

[garnabby]

For the past three days, I have had a rare three days in a row off from work. I was very impressed with everything that GrabTheGold shared here in this forum. I would like to share, that I have had, what I consider the unique and rare privledge to learn even more about what he was sharing here. He graciously offered phone conversation, written communication via email, as well sharing charts, examples, explanations, insights, wisdom, and par excellence in teaching and helping me. It is my view, that a good teacher teaches, and a great, wise and gifted teacher will not only teach but also inspire the student to think on their own, as well to also guide the student to research on their own, what is being taught. I understand there are those who are not used to having someone teach them this way. It was clearly evident to me, this was the manner in which he was teaching and sharing with all of us here on this forum. I liken it to being given your first car, or having to work hard and save up to pay for that first car. Yes and once again I will say, I do understand that in the past, there were those less than honorable in all of our past, that were less than honest and decent. But I refuse to let it color my future in searching for, and learning what will work, in baccarat. GrabTheGolds sharing here, was exactly what I have been looking for, and I do say looking for quite a few years. While I have learned alot of aspects, there comes a point when everyone needs help, and NO ONE makes it in this life without help from someone. His strategy opened up a brand new way of looking at how to understand, and create a great strategy, with excellent aspects of betting amounts, bet placements, win goals and loss limits, that includes a rigourous discipline, and skill in doing so. While some here concluded that too much was left out of what he shared, it is my opinion that it was too early to draw such hasty and unfair conclusions, that were not only demeaning to him, but also was demeaning to those who did so. I believe that part of the truth is not the truth. And some took that approach and projected it upon him as being the one that was leaving voids in what he shared, when in reality it was those that did not search to "the ends of the earth" on their own to find the parts that had not yet been revealed. After searching, studying, and spending the last three days, with alot of communication, information, charts, that he so generously and graciously bestowed to me, I can fully, and wholeheartedly say nothing I have ever attempted or learned in baccarat comes even close to what he shares, and I have seen quite alot from mathmathics and mathematicians. Which reminds me, that if one believes strictly in math as a universal, all encompassing truth, with no other options, does not math then become a dictator, and those that subscribe to, believe in, and argue for math become dictators of it also, becoming dictators to others, with a closed mind to any other options? Does that not then become detrimental to others that are dictated to, and also to the dictator of it? Math is an ideology that enforces one singular truth. It becomes very easy and convienent for the dictator of it to use. What GradTheGold was doing, and has done, and I don't use this phrase in a frivoulous way, is "think outside the box". Yes, math was and is a part of it, but NOT to the ideology of math being the emcompassing be all and end all of it. He (GradTheGold) clearly, and more than once told us all, the answers are there in everything that he shared, and it is. I believe the reason alot of us could not "wrap our brains around it" is that we have been so conditioned by what we perceived to learn in the past, we simply could not open our mind to what he was sharing. In a few of my previous posts here, I shared that I refuse to close my mind to others, to thoughts, to insights, to wisdom and learning. After these past three days of opening my mind and learning what GrabTheGold was sharing with all of us. I can truly say, he is right, and I have my own documented proof of it. Respectfully and honorably I submit this to this forum.

Hi again littogage,

And thanks again for "the way you see it".

Only one question from myself, did Frits ask you "to make a public commendation to BF's regarding his method"... for his troubles?

(Beyond this, perhaps Frits may provide us with just the web-page link to his "corporation", if indeed such exists, to truly establish some "street cred", himself? Instead of the "strained logic" presented above by another.)

[littogage]

In regards to the way that you see it, to the regards of "the way I see it", you are kindly welcome. I find your question to me, misdirected. What I share here is of my own accord, and I do have a free will to do so, which is a God given ability and right, for every human being to do so with as that person chooses to or not, just as you do equally so. In regards to anyones corporation, I personally don't think that is anyones business, but their own. My personal view, for what it may or may not be worth to you, is simply this, a persons credentials that I value, is honesty, genuine caring, and a positive and creative nature. Those characteristics of a person are clearly seen and discerned by others that hold dearly to them. True, there are those that can be cunning, and deceitful, yet in time, the evidence of them will reveal themself, maybe not today, tomorrow or the next, but they will be revealed in time. The true nature of thoughts, emotions, values, attitudes, actions and behaviours speak for themself. So I will close this in regards to your view of "strained logic" "presented by another" that is simply your chosen view, for what it is, or isn't worth.

[garnabby]

In regards to the way that you see it, to the regards of "the way I see it", you are kindly welcome. I find your question to me, misdirected. What I share here is of my own accord, and I do have a free will to do so, which is a God given ability and right, for every human being to do so with as that person chooses to or not, just as you do equally so. In regards to anyones corporation, I personally don't think that is anyones business, but their own. My personal view, for what it may or may not be worth to you, is simply this, a persons credentials that I value, is honesty, genuine caring, and a positive and creative nature. Those characteristics of a person are clearly seen and discerned by others that hold dearly to them. True, there are those that can be cunning, and deceitful, yet in time, the evidence of them will reveal themself, maybe not today, tomorrow or the next, but they will be revealed in time. The true nature of thoughts, emotions, values, attitudes, actions and behaviours speak for themself. So I will close this in regards to your view of "strained logic" "presented by another" that is simply your chosen view, for what it is, or isn't worth.

Thanks for your reply, but a simple yes or no to my simple question above would have sufficed.

[garnabby]

Check out this link for another poster's system regarding "Return on Wagers". I wonder if it's the same guy?

http://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/pos...80845&trail=15 .

Bachman 05/02/08 at 01:49 PM#3I can ANSWER these questions through displaying my answer to a person that Emailed me with almost the same questions. First are HIS questions to me, then below is my answer!
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Hi Bachman,

Thank you for your reply.

This is the type of unit size i want to be playing.

How do you keep under the radar from the casino with this unit size & consistency of winning on a regular/daily basis. how do you handle casino 'Heat'. do you move from casino to casino? how do you keep your identity secret especially when you have to join special members only table.

I am definitely interested in your system. please tell me something about your system:

how many units do you risk per hand maximum?
how many units drawdown would your system allow?
do you have to scout for suitable table/games or pre-qualify games before playing or will your system work at any game type?
how many unit bankroll is recommended.

would like to see your system at work though.

if i bought your system would you consider payment through my winnings using your system?

cheers
win

My Response-

Okay, you have lot's of questions here, let me try to address them one by one.

1. You made a remark, this is the type of unit I want to be playing? What unit size? You did not specify! I did NOT understand your remark?

2. We keep under the the RADAR by NOT taking too much from any single casino and drawing attention to ourselves. If you are playing on the Vegas Strip you can take $10-15K per shoe and NOT draw attention! They have folks playing 100K per hand, so taking 10K doesn't even get their attention. However, if you play at the Vegas LOCAL Casino's like Sam's Town, all the Station Casinos, the Sun Coast etc, they WILL notice 10K, so you are better off just taking 2-5K per session from these types of Casinos. Never play at a "MEMBERS ONLY" or a "High Roller" Pit unless you are willing to divulge your identity, which is NEVER good UNLESS you plan to create a relationship with that particular property; there are plenty of Mini-Baccarat Tables out on the Main floor that offer $25 - $5K limits.

3. Never get a Player's Card at a Casino where you intend to do some serious damage! Never allow anyone to ask you for your Driver's License or Passport. It's okay to get a "Player's Card" at a Casino wher you intend to stay and play a few hours each day to cover comps, BUT NEVER do serious damage at that Casino; you want to have a cordial relationship with the Casino Host and personnel, while ensuring that you'll have your needs met while staying in town! Usually 2-4 hours of medium play will get that accomplished.

4. About my "Method?" All I can tell you is this; it is a marriage of a MATCHED "Playing" and "Betting" Method that works "In-Concert" with one another. It is VERY unique. I think it is funny when I go to the Internet and see folks selling the "Predictor" System, or Systems that Guarantee (4) units per shoe, it is all so very ridiculous, you couldn't get my interest at (4) units per shoe! How do these people sleep at night taking the public for $199 or $399 for "Systems" that guarantee so very little. It's crazy!

5. The question about the number of units risked. Well, I can ONLY answer this way; our "Method" makes a good RETURN ON WAGERS (usually around 15 - 28% per shoe or usually every 50 minutes of play. We try and play at Casinos where we know there will be only 1 or zero players at the tables, thus we can knock-out a shoe quickly! Thus, if you have moved $1000 dollars back and forth across the table, then you end up with a + $150 to +$280 every 50 minutes of play. That calculation is made using $10 units; thus your answer is .. (15-28) units every 50 minutes! How's that answer? Your Bankroll for $10 action needs to be $1K. You should always have at least 100 units on you of whatever unit size you are playing, NOT that you'd ever need it, but it is always nice to have that kind of RESERVE on you!

6. Our "Method" is available for licensing, but I doubt you could afford it unless you have an extra $500K laying around, no offense intended here, but this "Method" is really worth over a Million Plus. How do we make that calculation? Well, as described above, instead of $10 units they were $10K units, you would be making $150K - $280K per shoe wouldn't you? Doesn't take long to amortize and justify buying a "Method" that produces those results does it? It basically pays for itself in 1 - 2 days of playing.

7. We have only allowed two other people license our "Method" and we checked them out thoroughly. We like to remain anonymous! You can, I am sure, appreciate why. Possibly sometime in the future when everything feels right, we will invite some folks to watch it work at a lower limit table as not to draw too much attention, possibly you will be one those we will invite, who knows?

8. We certainly will NEVER license our "Method" on an "Earn as you go" premise. Why? Because we don't have to! We make plenty of money using it ourselves and do not need to be saddled with wondering if we are getting our "Cut" from someone else's action, we don't need the headache that involves! Most folks or gambler's are totally unreliable, thus, we NEVER put ourselves in a position to get stung! That's it! Our "Method" does come with (4) days of Training both Classroom and in the Casino playing at a LIVE table. We prove that our METHOD works BEFORE the Client pays us one dime! That's how we "Roll!" Too many folks out there making false claims, we CAN and WILL prove everything we say. At the SAMPLE Demos you'll see it work, you won't understand how it works, but you'll definitely see the profit at the end! It's pretty amazing and we are VERY proud of the method we developed, it has all paid off for us!

Bachman

[littogage]

maybe and maybe not, or I will say I don't know. Is that a simple enough answer?

[anotherusernametaken]

Arick- I was wondering the same thing with GTG's book. I emailed him and he wrote back saying the book will be released in July 2010. user

[garnabby]

maybe and maybe not, or I will say I don't know. Is that a simple enough answer?

Works in court (sometimes)... but never in baccarat.

[garnabby]

Arick- I was wondering the same thing with GTG's book. I emailed him and he wrote back saying the book will be released in July 2010. user

Don't hold your breath on that one either... he, like Ellis, told me in a PM (complaining about Savant) he's a big-time gambler in Las Vegas who's already published books... but wouldn't continue to post as long as Savant was here. (I alone remained to "play out" Savant for everyone, including myself.)

Even still, will the price be less than the 500K that guy with the same system in the link above was after?

[littogage]

You asked, I answered. If my honest answer isn't good enough, then don't ask. It's as simple as that.

[Arick]

Arick- I was wondering the same thing with GTG's book. I emailed him and he wrote back saying the book will be released in July 2010. user

GTG told me the same thing in PM. Maybe those that are further along in the discovery can keep this thread going in the meantime. I have gotten a lot of clues. But not having all the info in one place is making it difficult to apply in my play. I know GTG states that the answer is and has been right here all along but there are many posts to go through at this point. I was hoping someone could do a recap of sorts and we could all continue to contribute as a group as we go along.

[ron90010]

I can truly say, he is right, and I have my own documented proof of it. Respectfully and honorably I submit this to this forum.

Littogage-

I would like to ask you what kind of proof do you have. If you could answer these questions I would appreciate it:

-Have you tested it against your live shoes
-have you played it live in a casino
-if so, how many shoes
-what were your results
-did you bust out the progression and what was the highest number you got up to?

Thanks in advance for answering these questions.

[joshky]

Littogage-

I would like to ask you what kind of proof do you have. If you could answer these questions I would appreciate it:

-Have you tested it against your live shoes
-have you played it live in a casino
-if so, how many shoes
-what were your results
-did you bust out the progression and what was the highest number you got up to?

Thanks in advance for answering these questions.

From all the info that i have being collecting, i won't be surprised if he has not lost a shoe.

[joshky]

Archer has gone dead silent on this thread. I hope he could get to share more of his findings with us.

[littogage]

To answer questions of above. I copied and pasted every thread and post, into a folder that I put together, and titled each one accordingly. If you take the time and the work that it requires, to do this, study and learn, and then apply it, you will also have the documented proof that you need. No one can do that for you, and you owe it to yourself to do so. That way, you will know, and not have to go by what anyone else says. Like his last post says, the answers are there. And I am still saddened, that it was his last post here. If anyone does not like my honest, and respectful answer, then it will also be my last post here.

[garnabby]

To answer questions of above. I copied and pasted every thread and post, into a folder that I put together, and titled each one accordingly. If you take the time and the work that it requires, to do this, study and learn, and then apply it, you will also have the documented proof that you need. No one can do that for you, and you owe it to yourself to do so. That way, you will know, and not have to go by what anyone else says. Like his last post says, the answers are there. And I am still saddened, that it was his last post here. If anyone does not like my honest, and respectful answer, then it will also be my last post here.

The truth shall set you free?

Only the truth shall set you free... and science, which comprises all the fields of academic study, doesn't lie. Hence, to abandon the latter would surely be folly.

The truth is plain to all upon its arrival, can't be delivered piece-meal in hints, or riddles... the latter, the work of the "devil".

Of course the answers are somewhere. But not in the honesty, respect, or politeness by which it must be delivered.

One truth wipes out a million lies. I have been brought here to defend even my very wordings. (And remember, no one asked littogage of his own useage of the word "punk", in the "Why the hositilty?" thread.) But where is Grab, now that i ask him to defend his here, of "nonsense", "nut job", etc? He claims to own a successful corporation, 99.9% of which would have at least a web-address... but can't, or won't, produce it. Even one with the truth is of no help then.

Pure folly, those last posts by littogage... who disappeared (after his reply to Savant in the aforementioned thread) around the same time as Grab, months ago... only to reappear around the same time. Yes, probably coincidence, but makes me wonder now. In my own opinion, but w/o any proof from "them" either... no less an opinion than "theirs".

Enough persons have wasted enough time and energy, and enough bad will has been brought to the surface by "someone" with nothing better to do than stir such up. Does anyone seriously think there's that much money to be made however, through such flimsy "endeavors"? Why do you think the price has come down from $500K, to phone calls, and possibly another "rag" of a book on eBay next year?

Anyone else want to "jump ship" in favor of the "good ship lollipop"... be my guest. You have nothing i, myself, will ever want, need. Nothing even of a passing interest.

[Ellis]

Don't hold your breath on that one either... he, like Ellis, told me in a PM (complaining about Savant) he's a big-time gambler in Las Vegas who's already published books... but wouldn't continue to post as long as Savant was here. (I alone remained to "play out" Savant for everyone, including myself.)

Even still, will the price be less than the 500K that guy with the same system in the link above was after?

Leave me out of this. I never PMd you. I never mentioned Savant. And I'm not a big time gambler anywhere, esp. Vegas.

[garnabby]

The truth shall set you free?

Only the truth shall set you free... and science, which comprises all the fields of academic study, doesn't lie. Hence, to abandon the latter would surely be folly.

The truth is plain to all upon its arrival, can't be delivered piece-meal in hints, or riddles... the latter, the work of the "devil".

Of course the answers are somewhere. But not in the honesty, respect, or politeness by which it must be delivered.

One truth wipes out a million lies. I have been brought here to defend even my very wordings. (And remember, no one asked littogage of his own useage of the word "punk", in the "Why the hositilty?" thread.) But where is Grab, now that i ask him to defend his here, of "nonsense", "nut job", etc? He claims to own a successful corporation, 99.9% of which would have at least a web-address... but can't, or won't, produce it. Even one with the truth is of no help then.

Pure folly, those last posts by littogage... who disappeared (after his reply to Savant in the aforementioned thread) around the same time as Grab, months ago... only to reappear around the same time. Yes, probably coincidence, but makes me wonder now. In my own opinion, but w/o any proof from "them" either... no less an opinion than "theirs".

Enough persons have wasted enough time and energy, and enough bad will has been brought to the surface by "someone" with nothing better to do than stir such up. Does anyone seriously think there's that much money to be made however, through such flimsy "endeavors"? Why do you think the price has come down from $500K, to phone calls, and possibly another "rag" of a book on eBay next year?

Anyone else want to "jump ship" in favor of the "good ship lollipop"... be my guest. You have nothing i, myself, will ever want, need. Nothing even of a passing interest.

Here's the email address provided to myself, by FRITS, a long time ago, for those wondering, did we even have conversations... we sure did, and i have to tell you now that asfaras i'm concerned, he turned out to be the biggest "pile of bull" i've seen in a long time.

frits <fritsdj@hotmail.com>

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Now try those links, get his full name from the focal point one, Frits Dunki-Jacobs. Google that to get his resume... what a joke. I don't know about the company, but i wouldn't be surprised to find a few things amiss there as well. We'll have to allow Frits to fill in the rest.

Here's a blurb from googling that company in the link above,

sharp pixel creates and LAUNCHES 21gun.com a e-pay solution and website design.http://www.21gun.com 21gun.com is a small site to advertise a Black Jack seminar held by Frits Dunki-Jacobs. This seminar is a focused day on how to play and win at Black Jack. Frits Dunki-Jacobs has also wrote a book called 21gun which will be in stores soon! back to top ... TRY THAT LINK, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUY A GUN!




joshky, asfaras "Archer going dead on the subject"... what the heck about Frits?

(On second thought, i think littogage replied to Savant upon littogage's return... i don't recall everything off hand, don't really care.)

[garnabby]

Leave me out of this. I never PMd you. I never mentioned Savant. And I'm not a big time gambler anywhere, esp. Vegas.

Correct about the PM, i meant only asfaras the books, and big-time gambler stuff. Didn't mean it otherwise.

[garnabby]

Well Frits,

What about you, let's clear up any misunderstandings... i see you're on-line now, "sneaking around" again.

[garnabby]

Gotta go Frits, see you later this evening.



Ellis,

That guy has nothing on you. LOL.

(Never thought i'd say that.)

[Grab The Gold]

Okay "Garnabby", gee, you REALLY GOT ME!

Yes, I did own (2) Honda Blackbirds, that's a CRIME? Great "Detective" work there!

And yes, I did publish a book in 2004 entitiled "Betting on Blackjack", (NOT 21Gun which was its previous title) which is available at most book stores "Barnes and Noble", "Border's Books" and some online ones, current sales I know is over 20,000; published by a MOST reputable firm "Adams Media". (Not much of an accomplishment is it?) Hmmm, "Garnabby" have YOU written anything of any consequence lately, surely something noteworthy to match your furocious "Detective Work" and Banter you have displayed here? Worthy I am sure of Elementary School Children responding.

Oh, and yes, I do own a "High Tech" business here in Washington State, for over (16) years now; for those of who doubted that! (Not much of an accomplishment there either) I suppose, having started from scratch with my own money, I mean shoot, making a successful business on your own and staying in business for 16 years that isn't much of an accomplishment is it? Evidently, not by your standards!

And yes, I do watch "America's Got Talent," I suppose that ranks me below your stature doesn't it?

And finding my Email Address, "FritsDJ@Hotmail.Com" well, I can't remember if I ever provided you with that or not, it makes NO difference here (Gosh, you are a REAL EINSTEIN for uncovering that aren't you, that EMAIL address is posted on about 6 - 8 Websites!); for all I know YOU are the Forum Administrator or Co-Administrator, in my mind there has to be a relationship there, any other ADMIN on ANY other Forum would have YANKED you off their Forum for all the abusive POSTS you've made toward me and others members who have come to my defense, not that I needed defending; thus, I can only assume YOU are in league with the ADMIN, if not, then my apologies to the Forum ADMIN, but you need to look seriously at "Garnabby's" POSTS (which I have already written to you about), pretty downright "Abusive and Vendictive!" If those POSTS he's made do not qualify for termination to the site, I really don't know what would? In any event, the membership I think, should be wary of posting anything that remotely is private on this site.

I think it is important to note here, that now that you have brought forward the fact that I did publish a book, I wanted to keep all that aside from my "Baccarat" POSTS simply because I wanted my METHODS to have their own legs and not be looked at because I published a book in the gaming arena. And that is the TRUTH of it!

What I think is hilarious is that I have NOT POSTED since last Friday, until now, and STILL "Garnabby" continues to go on about "Me" as "GTG" or "Frits!" What a "Head Case" he really is. "Garnabby" you need to get a LIFE! Get some therapy or something, but please SPARE the membership your ramblings and detective work about me, I am sure everyone has better things to READ rather than have to open their EMAIL everyday and see that YOU again have POSTED another rambling on the "Grab the Gold Shoes" thread! Man, YOU are degrading yourself in front of the entire membership! Get HELP or get off this site, people come to discuss Baccarat and NOT to follow your "Demeaning Banter" regarding another member or his or her viewpoints on Methods or the like!

Again, I have already chosen the folks who are in my group who will learn the "MGM", and I must say to the current members who have to read these last POSTs, that 95% of them (my GROUP Members) think "Garnabby" has been totally disruptive, abusive, and vendictive; his previous post supposedly revealing my information proves that doesn't it? He just has this need to always have the LAST WORD!

On another note to the membership, I have been very fortunate in that the MGM has provided some proceeds for me which I happily donate a large percentage of to a "Homeless" Shelter here in the Seattle Area and to the "Humane Society for Abused Animals" and various other organizations that help "Animals", that has always been a real nice place to put money earned at the tables for me, if you need proof of that you can QUERY "MALCOP", he donated $50.00 U.S. dollars to a shelter (I never took a dime!) for my assistance in a basic method I devised three years ago; not the MGM, but a semi-effective method (which I think has served him well?); I've tried to be as Philanthropic as has been feasible for me to be. And in accordance with that philosophy I have tried to assist the membership on this Forum with the LOGIC that is behind my METHOD; and I have done so without an inkling or breath spoken about charging anything, I have shared much, if you were interested then you derived something from those POSTs, if not, that's totally okay as well.

In as much as I've wanted spout explatives here, I have tried to maintain a demeanor that was befitting an OPEN Forum, all these abusive POSTS need stop so that the membership no longer has to endure this. I recommend that whomever has subscribed to the "Grab the Gold Shoes" POSTS just UNSUBSCIBE so that you no longer have to read his constant and obsessive "DRIVEL!"

So what do you say folks, shall we let him have the last word? I think we should! ... what prompted THIS POST of mine was an EMAIL sent to the FritsDJ@Hotmail account PRIOR to me writing this message, I think it is VERY telling of his character, YOU be the judge of his so-called "Nice Guy" image that he maintains ... here's the EMAIL!

Subj: Baccarat‏
From: Michelle and/or Mark (all4you@porchlight.ca)
Sent:Thu 11/05/09 2:56 AM
To: frits (fritsdj@hotmail.com)


What a god-damn asshole you are... fuck off, or i post some stuff "that will make even your head spin".

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And I haven't POSTED anything since last Friday! So there you have it folks, his last word! Petty Vendictive guy isn't he? Just OUT OF THE BLUE I receive this in my Email this morning, haven't had any contact with him at all!

Don't know about you people, but I certainly would NOT ask for any Baccarat recomendations from this guy, CLEARLY he is MENTALLY UNSTABLE!

But don't worry, I'm SURE this is NOT really his last word, but it is for me, because I am TERMINATING my membership here, I'm sure that will make "Garnabby" real sad, now he won't have anyone to be obusive towards and to expose, gee, that's really too bad isn't it!

Farewell all!

Frits a.k.a. "Grab the Gold" ... and STILL GRABBING IT!

[John1234]

wow I read your book when i turned 21 haha.. I actually liked your book and it was very good, there was a lot of insightful information. I never ended up playing blackjack but I probably would have used some of your methods if I had played.

[Ellis]

Gotta go Frits, see you later this evening.



Ellis,

That guy has nothing on you. LOL.

(Never thought i'd say that.)

Garnabby, nearly all of my sales, BJ and Bac, were accomplished through seminars. Many others including Bobby Singer, Jerry Patterson, Steve Heller, Sherie Pelzman, Suzanne and Marty and many others tried that route after seeing my successes. But they failed because they lacked the main component responsible for my success - a winning casino exhibition immediately following every seminar. I put my money where my mouth was. As soon as seminar goers watched me win in the casino for several hours, they bought my wares. I don't know a better way to prove myself. What is left after that? What more could I do? Seeing is believing motivates most everybody. It worked for me but no one else. In the end, the game itself settles all arguments.

But there's always that one out of a thousand loose screw who attacks success wherever he finds it. And he is usually the least qualified to do so.

[garnabby]

Grab,

... for all I know YOU are the Forum Administrator or Co-Administrator, in my mind there has to be a relationship there, any other ADMIN on ANY other Forum would have YANKED you off their Forum for all the abusive POSTS you've made toward me and others members who have come to my defense, not that I needed defending; thus, I can only assume YOU are in league with the ADMIN, if not, then my apologies to the Forum ADMIN, but you need to look seriously at "Garnabby's" POSTS (which I have already written to you about), pretty downright "Abusive and Vendictive!"

Obviously, Mike decided to strike my reply this morning with the REAL and conclusive info about yourself, even despite your false replies to it. Would i have done that? (So i've no connection, as i've claimed all along, right? In fact, anyone may look up the owner of these sites at WHOIS Search for Domain Registration Information | Network Solutions .)

Second, here's a note to myself a while back from Mike. I don't think Mike will find it too-offensive that i post it here, because sometimes an email is just an email, right?

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" You've been an excellent contributor to the forum and it would be great to see some of those great posts and insights you've made on the proboards forum over here at baccaratforums.com. In return, I'm doing my absolute best to keep the forum going strong in terms of stability, reducing spam considerably, and attracting some quality members for some more great discussions. I recently moved the forum to my new servers which now cost twice as much per month but really seem to be worth it in terms of forum stability - have you noticed an improvement in the forum being up (any downtime for you at all recently?)

Thanks Mark,

-Mike"
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Hey, maybe Mike's YOUR buddy (for removing that reply of mine)?

Maybe he just doesn't want any more PM's from a crybaby like you, who can't begin to really defend himself out in the open?

Come to think of it, i'd have deleted it were i him, just to not have to deal with the embarrassment of it.

Again, I have already chosen the folks who are in my group who will learn the "MGM", and I must say to the current members who have to read these last POSTs, that 95% of them (my GROUP Members) think "Garnabby" has been totally disruptive, abusive, and vendictive; his previous post supposedly revealing my information proves that doesn't it?

Why must others alway speak for you, the "hint"-giver? To that end, i doubt many here have found my own participation "totally-disruptive, abusive, and vindictive"... in fact i could probably go on for many pages with the positive comments i have received, since joining this board last year.

Anyway, each to his own, i guess. Can't please everyone all the time. Never tried. The important thing is that we please ourselves, by some give and take.

... some proceeds for me which I happily donate a large percentage of to a "Homeless" Shelter here in the Seattle Area and to the "Humane Society for Abused Animals"... QUERY "MALCOP", he donated $50.00 U.S. dollars to a shelter (I never took a dime!)... I've tried to be as Philanthropic as has been feasible for me to be.!

You donate a "large percentage" means what, especially shortly before stating you "never took a dime"? Where may any one query about your own donations, assuming you are even whom you claim to be?

Further to the "context" at hand, being as "philanthropic" as anyone wants won't make his/her baccarat-system a consistent winner. (You haven't even demonstrated the practicality/practicability of such an undertaking.)

And it's very selfish for anyone to so assume that you, malcop, and any of those of your "secret" group (here) holds the rights to giving, etc. I, myself, still see no need to bring any of that into the "equation", and especially to not make all sorts of claims "hidden" from reasonable inspection. Perhaps that's the truest form of giving?

In as much as I've wanted spout explatives here, I have tried to maintain a demeanor that was befitting an OPEN Forum, all these abusive POSTS need stop so that the membership no longer has to endure this. I recommend that whomever has subscribed to the "Grab the Gold Shoes" POSTS just UNSUBSCIBE so that you no longer have to read his constant and obsessive "DRIVEL!"

What a crybaby. Sorry, i don't try to "sugar-coat" my words. I'm anything but the "gracious diplomat" in real life... so honestly try to react as i would normally (in my own mind, at least,) w/o the pensive benefit of keyboard and screen afforded here. It's important for others to know that i at least have no aires about that sort of thing. Machines are machines, and people are people.

I think you need to "drop the (sales) act".

[quote=Grab The Gold;17085]So what do you say folks, shall we let him have the last word? I think we should!

That's actually pretty funny to me, coming from someone who twice already threatened to post no more... but both times had his "bluff called". That's the thing about making any and every claim w/o any evidence or proof... the bluffs start to mean nothing.

I don't make such foolish bluffs. Never wrote, i am forfeiting my opportunity to reply.

Don't know about you people, but I certainly would NOT ask for any Baccarat recomendations from this guy, CLEARLY he is MENTALLY UNSTABLE!

My only reaction to that is the old saying, "One has to leave the world a little sillier than when one found it."

Taking yourself too seriously is never a good thing.

So, i shall continue to settle for the proofs in my own works, whichever, as those come. Grateful all the while for the sincere contributions of others, who remain not intent only on that which they "prostitue" to the weaker among us.

But don't worry, I'm SURE this is NOT really his last word, but it is for me, because I am TERMINATING my membership here, I'm sure that will make "Garnabby" real sad, now he won't have anyone to be obusive towards and to expose, gee, that's really too bad isn't it!

Farewell all!

Frits a.k.a. "Grab the Gold" ... and STILL GRABBING IT!

You'll have to ask Mike if that's even possible here, for a member to terminate his own registration.

... what prompted THIS POST of mine was an EMAIL sent to the FritsDJ@Hotmail account PRIOR to me writing this message, I think it is VERY telling of his character, YOU be the judge of his so-called "Nice Guy" image that he maintains ... here's the EMAIL!

Subj: Baccarat‏
From: Michelle and/or Mark (all4you@porchlight.ca)
Sent:Thu 11/05/09 2:56 AM
To: frits (fritsdj@hotmail.com)


What a god-damn asshole you are... fuck off, or i post some stuff "that will make even your head spin".

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... Just OUT OF THE BLUE I receive this in my Email this morning, haven't had any contact with him at all!

Did i say i wouldn't post your email-address, when you first sent it to me, like all the others to which you sent it when you wanted everyone to send you their old shoe-data... what did you expect, no one would check it out?

What "got me" though, wasn't the time i spent responding as best i could to your posts, and requests of me; wasn't the time i took to keep you "in the loop" with the rest of us here after this site disappeared (briefly, as it turned out,) back in May(?); wasn't your completely-unsubstantiated and senseless character "attacks" on myself later; wasn't your own lack of sincerity and/or honesty in the end, wasn't even your pitiful mathematics and logics -inabilities... it was finally when i started receiving emails from members here stating that you were "accusing them" of having presenting me with something you gave me from the start, ie, your email-address, and the name, "Frits".

You don't keep track of your own actions, then have the nerve to "suspect" others. And to which end, anyway?

Can you comprehend the position in which your (own) stupidity has placed a lot of us members, throughout your stay here?

SO I WOULD CONCLUDE THAT YOU HAVE HAD AMPLE CONTACT WITH MYSELF... AND SUCH AN EMAIL WAS NOT REALLY OUT-OF-THE-BLUE AFTER ALL.

At least i have the constitution to fully express my sentiments. Glad you re-produced this here, i expected as much... shows only your own over-eagerness to score some sort of "victory". (Makes you the one to post it here, right?)

And of course we have the voyeurs circling around like vulchers, as i type this, with their thusly pent-up feelings for this issue one way or the other... waiting to see someone's "demise".

And all they're to be left with is, "Ask not for whom the bell tolls... for it tolls for thee."

[garnabby]

But there's always that one out of a thousand loose screw who attacks success wherever he finds it. And he is usually the least qualified to do so.

But neither you nor Grab have ever actually demonstrated in any way any type or degree of succuss, let alone the sort so easily "claimed" in the first place. In fact, from what we have seen here, it appears quite unlikely at all.

Do that, then see who "attacks" it, however.