Thread: How does one Describe what a holy grail is

If I had a method that only won 40% in a 50/50 game but never lost more than say 5 in a row would it be considered as a holy grail because I can make an mm around or a simple martingale would suffice to make it win

I would say yes. If it never lost more than 5 in a row with good mm. Have you come up with such a strategy?

Never, is a DIRTY word in gambling. Losing 5 in a row, is a 3%-4.5% occurrance.

If you could play baccarat and never loose more than five in a row then your onto a winner, if i was you idd be selling the house and get down to the casino and live there for a year and retire with a few hundred million, good luck and im sure you will make headlines !!

Originally Posted by natural9

... a method that only won 40% in a 50/50 game but never lost more than say 5 in a row...

Can you explain that, please?

Originally Posted by garnabby

Can you explain that, please?

Sorry to steal your thunder Natural9. Easy to explain - hard to do! Just win more units on the winning bets and less on the losing bets :-)

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Originally Posted by Archer

Sorry to steal your thunder Natural9. Easy to explain - hard to do! Just win more units on the winning bets and less on the losing bets :-)
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thinking if you bet all decisisions you will never find a method like that it is the nature of the even chance beast but i am thinking certain uiknown triggers could fit into this catregory finding them is tough tho

Originally Posted by natural9

thinking if you bet all decisisions you will never find a method like that it is the nature of the even chance beast but i am thinking certain uiknown triggers could fit into this catregory finding them is tough tho

By triggers here you must mean certain advantage bets. Predicted by either a function of card value monitoring or patterns?

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Originally Posted by Archer

By triggers here you must mean certain advantage bets. Predicted by either a function of card value monitoring or patterns?

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That is correct i know it is gamblers fallacy to say sometrhing is due but has anyone ever seen 50 bankers in a row but if one ever sawe 50 bankers the chance of an other bankers showing is still 50/50 but i am thinking there must more stricter triggers that have to fit in to the mathematics of the game

I have read on other forums that some use these unseen triggers by us not by them to bet and within a few hands it hit

43 Players in a row - yes it is true!

Originally Posted by ron90010

43 Players in a row - yes it is true!

I hope never to see something like this.

I test with more than 200,000 hands and do not see any streak of P or B more than 16. GL

Originally Posted by joshky

I hope never to see something like this.

Joshky,

Seriously? If I could see 43 Players in a row, I'd own the deli, the car they're giving away and get free dinners until 2025!!

By the time the 17th Player had been hit, I'd be at the table max and for the next 26 hands, it would be $2000 each!! (And no commission!!)

I've always played for the big run. No matter what system you're playing, once a streak hits 9 or 10, you've pulled enough profit out of it and it's time to start progressing those winners, just in case you've stumbled into the Mother Lode of streaks.

Sure, you'll hold back a portion of the winners each hand to keep the profits going, but shoot for the sky when the big streak shows up.

AD (14 has been my long streak this year)

Originally Posted by giabao

I test with more than 200,000 hands and do not see any streak of P or B more than 16. GL

giabao,

The chance of a streak of 17 or more based on p's = 1/2 in a continual stream of outcomes is the sum of the chances of each of the (exact) runs of 17, 18, 19, etc, to infinity, which is ((1/2) exp 18) + ((1/2) exp 19) + ((1/2) exp 20) +... = ((1/2) exp 17) = (about) 0.000007629394531, or about 1 in 131,072 attempts.

Therefore, your findings above are (, at first glance,) not unreasonable. However, one may have about as likely have found one such run after only 25,000 tries.

(Eg, the chance of a run of exactly 17 is (the chance of the first 17 of one side) X (the chance the run is broken by the other side on the 18th outcome). For more information on this sort of series, refer to http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/questionCorner/geomsum.html .)