Thread: Please Give Feedback: 1-2-4 Strategy, Limited Martingale to 4 Units

Hello,

First of all thank you fro the good advices for the small bankroll bettings.

I was working on something, and would need some feedback if you have the interest to test it. I do not know if it is working or not, because did not spend much time with testing it.

So the strategy is 1-2-4 strategy, a limited martingale to 4 unit.

If we check out every three hands, not counting ties we can get the following results:

P P P
P P B
P B P
B P P

B B B
B B P
B P B
P B B

My idea is after having a three hands results, using a betting pattern with the limited progression up to 4 unit, to gain 1 unit. STOP when u have the one unit, and wait for the next three hands results.

The betting pattern for the first 4 would be PBP, for the second would be BPB.

If someone could test this for me with computer or just for fun and would give a feedback about it would be great.

Also have a question, what you suggest to bet when the first three hands are originally PBP and BPB.

I tested a little time only this , and cant give real feedback on it.


Thanks,

Bambura

Originally Posted by Bambura

Hello,

First of all thank you fro the good advices for the small bankroll bettings.

I was working on something, and would need some feedback if you have the interest to test it. I do not know if it is working or not, because did not spend much time with testing it.

So the strategy is 1-2-4 strategy, a limited martingale to 4 unit.

If we check out every three hands, not counting ties we can get the following results:

P P P
P P B
P B P
B P P

B B B
B B P
B P B
P B B

My idea is after having a three hands results, using a betting pattern with the limited progression up to 4 unit, to gain 1 unit. STOP when u have the one unit, and wait for the next three hands results.

The betting pattern for the first 4 would be PBP, for the second would be BPB.

If someone could test this for me with computer or just for fun and would give a feedback about it would be great.

Also have a question, what you suggest to bet when the first three hands are originally PBP and BPB.

I tested a little time only this , and cant give real feedback on it.


Thanks,

Bambura

I don't think you will need a computer to test this one Bam. The reason it loses is straightforward. When you add up the number of expected hands that go against the pattern your betting you will find that there are many combination's that will make you lose the 7 units. What you are saying is that you have to win 8 more times than you lose just to break even and pay your commission.

Martingale loses no matter how short or long. Well, if you play only on Player and have no table limit you will win but that is not allowed.

Archer

I tested and played a method very similar to this and was generally successful in the casino. However, I was using a randomly generated template to bet against and would bet a 6 step marti. In practice a 3 step marti was never successful and in practice I even lost some 6 steppers (and that was when I stopped playing it in the casino)

Originally Posted by sdf1492

I tested and played a method very similar to this and was generally successful in the casino. However, I was using a randomly generated template to bet against and would bet a 6 step marti. In practice a 3 step marti was never successful and in practice I even lost some 6 steppers (and that was when I stopped playing it in the casino)

So you played TBL with a Martingale? The longer the prog the more you will win and lose. Martingale does not work. What did you think about the TBL? Why did you use it?

Archer

I thought the template idea had merit. Sort of Random against Random. It did not do too badly as I never lost in the casino thru about 4 or 5 sessions but it lost enough in my daily practice that I finally gave it up.

It was not an original idea, I had the "Moving Target Baccarat System" and simply modified the random template concept to an approach that I thought was even more random than MTBS (which was complicated, difficult to play and bombed out more than my concept).

I can reconstruct my method here if you're interested.

Originally Posted by sdf1492

I thought the template idea had merit. Sort of Random against Random. It did not do too badly as I never lost in the casino thru about 4 or 5 sessions but it lost enough in my daily practice that I finally gave it up.

It was not an original idea, I had the "Moving Target Baccarat System" and simply modified the random template concept to an approach that I thought was even more random than MTBS (which was complicated, difficult to play and bombed out more than my concept).

I can reconstruct my method here if you're interested.

No, I am not, maybe some of the others are. Was it a TBL betting template?


Archer

Hello sdf1492,

I would be interested in your betting pattern. My problem when playing baccarat as everybody elses, do not know where to bet. I agree with the randomness of the game, can bring good results, so would be good to know your betting pattern.

Thanks,

Bambura

Originally Posted by Archer

No, I am not, maybe some of the others are. Was it a TBL betting template?


Archer

I'm not sure what a TBL betting template is. Time Before Last maybe?

Originally Posted by Bambura

Hello sdf1492,

I would be interested in your betting pattern. My problem when playing baccarat as everybody elses, do not know where to bet. I agree with the randomness of the game, can bring good results, so would be good to know your betting pattern.

Thanks,

Bambura

The first thing I did was generate 72 hands of baccarat and list them on a premade score sheet. Some of hand came from old games, some were randomly generated with a spread sheet, some were generated by rolling a die with even = banker and odd = player (or the other way around, it does not matter)

Now you have 72 hands written down like this

1B
2P
3B
4P
5P
6B
7P
8B
9B
10P
11B
12P
13P
14B
15B
16B
17P
18B

and on up to 72

Now, break them into goups of six

1B
2P
3B
4P
5P
6B
===
7P
8B
9B
10P
11B
12P
===
13P
14B
15B
16B
17P
18B
===

As the shoe is played out, you record the winner of the hand beside your template


1B B
2P B
3B P
4P P
5P B
6B P
===
7P
8B
9B
10P
11B
12P
===
13P
14B
15B
16B
17P
18B
===
If your template and the shoe match then record a + (or a W or whatever)

1B B +
2P B -
3B P -
4P P +
5P B -
6B P -
===
7P
8B
9B
10P
11B
12P
===
13P
14B
15B
16B
17P
18B
===

Then in hands 7 to 12 you are betting that this +/- pattern will not continue thru the entire next 6 hands (7 - 12)

===
7P -
8B +
9B +
10P -
11B +
12P +

So to get this opposite pattern you would need to bet

===
7P - B
8B + B
9B + B
10P - B
11B + B
12P + P

Bet with a 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 martingale progression. When you hit any one bet in the progression, wait until the next set of 6 to start betting.

I tried to generate a dozen or so random shoes and never used the same one twice in a row and even tried to not use the same one in the same trip to the casino. My local casinos went to $15 and $25 minimum games and like I said, the system bombed out enough in practice to make me drop it.

Hi there Bambura, I totally agree with Archer, martingales will fail so you need an alternative to winning baccarat...I suggest you read my post The Way I Play My system if you want to call it a system wont make you rich over night but you can on average you can make 2.7 units every day for the rest of your life. To me the secret to winning at baccarat is in the people who play the game after all over time no one wins trying to beat the game but trying to beat the players works for me.
What ever you do just remember a few basic rules like bet big when winning and small when loosing, this is near impossible as you can see so just bet the same every time, this way you will at least not suffer big losses like other players. ..It does help to understand everything about the game like why people loose and Learn form the mistakes other players make, this will minimize your losses, also learn the rules of the deal, i say this because if the dealer makes a mistake you can confidently correct them and look like a pro !!, just don't forget Rome wasn't built in a day !!

I have tried the guetting betting technique, and my opinion that is fantastic. While with flatbetting I was able to generate two unit profit, with the guetting progression that was 6.5 unit. It amuse me, and it is not dangerous at all, like martingale is.

The other thought came to my mid the other day. My problem is where to place the bet TBL and OTBL is not the best when you got a bad serie.

So I thought I will break the game into twos, and play for the next two hand the last two hand.

So if its PB, I play for the next to hand PB and so on.

I am testing this now, will come back with some figures.

Bambura

A interesting concept you have Bambura. I hope you might to continue to share your findings of it.

Bambura, I went over a couple of shoes that I have, and quickly saw that the two in row, bb, pp, can defeat the concept you share.

I went back and looked at those shoes, and tried using your concept of playing the 2 hands, and I changed it to playing the opposite of the last two hands, and of course, it did well on the 2 in a rows. So, back to the age old frustration of when to switch from follow to opposite, and vice versa. My only opinion on it would to be go with the one that is in lead, meaning number of wins more than the number of losses, and always have a win goal and loss limit.

whats the guetting betting technique?

Originally Posted by zachster

whats the guetting betting technique?

Cut and paste the following word file for the whole description. Very conservative UpAsYouWin (UAYW) style but you need a decent run to make it pay.

www.roulettesystemreviews.com/freesystems/Guetting%20Progression.doc

A

thanks man