Analysis of Ellis' Latest Trip Report at Gold Strike

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

OH, and we'll be playing a littlle open floor Bac as well. Why don't you join us? You know, put your money where your mouth is. Let's see.

Ellis,

Better still, here's a little tip for you.

"Blindly" alternating between OLD and FLD after a win somewhat contradicts, egs, the proved strategies of situational bet-selecting; and the random-walk(-theory) ROR (and other) -implications for just the simple outcomes (of P/B, or W/L) to eventually even out quite well on their own, over finite periods of utilization.

[Ellis]

Originally Posted by Archer

Realistically, Ellis, how many are in a reasonable proximity to Tunica to come down and watch. I mean Tunica is in the middle of nowhere. I'm sure if some were around they would come down, why not?

Question: I visited BTC today and found that there is no more public discourse. Is that true? Everybody has to pay $500 to join now? Pretty steep to shoot the bull about gambling, don't you think?

Also, I have NBJ and WCB. I believe keith gave them to me some time ago. I didn't realize you were still selling it. How long has it been since you first marketed that? Has it been 15 years? Time flies, huh.

Archer

Hi Jimske, actually its been more than 15 years but I'm finding that NBJ/WCB plays better today than ever before mainly because the casinos no longer close BJ tables to crowd up the remaining tables.

I played a lot of BJ on my last trip and found it to be a push over these days. You are an excellent player. You might want to give it another shot. You can hardly miss on the single and 2 deck games.

Actually. when you think about it, Vegas is in the middle of nowhere. Tunica is closer to the Memphis airport than Vegas is to the Vegas airport. Plus, the Tunica casinos have free limo service from the Memphis airport. Plus Comps are far more obtainable at Tunica. Even my $5 players get fully comped with meals, rooms, and limo service. My Green players get suites and free massages. At Tunica you spend a lot more time playing and a lot less time getting around. A Bj player of your caliber should have his airfare paid for in the first half hour. They might even comp it if you ask. Plus, its a straight up game. No cheating at all. Very different from AC or CT. I recommend it highly, particularly Horseshoe/Goldstrike.

Jimske, there have been no changes to our public forum. I merely had that casino adds section removed from public view because guys were trying to sell 150 unit systems on it. I can't allow such high risk systems on my watch. If you must risk 150 units, its just a question of time before you lose 150 units. I can't allow my name to be associated in any way with such an exposure. As you know, just like you, I believe in very low risk systems and I prefer low buy ins like 8 units. If you can't win with 15 units you shouldn't be playing. A player would be better off flat betting as you do. I've just seen too many players lose everything on those high risk "can't lose" systems. Businesses, houses, restaurants, farms, you name it.

Like on the last trip. A player we know very well was trying to sell us on his follow the 5 system that uses a 12358 15 prog. Said he never loses. He then lost 6 straight shoes to the tune of $60,000 while the 4 of us beat the same 6 shoes playing right next to him and buying in at 8 units. And, they were easy shoes to beat. I've watched those kinds of things happen hundreds of times and want no part of it.

It was probably just a glitch when you logged in. Try it again. The only changes we are making is easier access to the private forum. Better deals.

If you do ever consider going to Tunica, let me know and I'll tell you who to talk to and what to say to get fully comped. You'll like it.

[Ellis]

I'd answer Garnabby but, as usual, I have no idea of what he's trying to say.

[Archer]

Originally Posted by Ellis

Hi Jimske, actually its been more than 15 years but I'm finding that NBJ/WCB plays better today than ever before mainly because the casinos no longer close BJ tables to crowd up the remaining tables.

I guess it has been more than 15 years - you had to remind me? I haven't played BJ seriously since I was stopped for "cheating." Been over 10 years now. BJ too hard and requires high skill level but crowded tables certainly the big problem. Whether you play clumps, 1st, 3rd, count or a combination you still have to share too many cards with too many players. You say the tables aren't crowded? Maybe.

Jimske, there have been no changes to our public forum.

Huh? Maybe I did something wrong. I clicked Baccarat Forum and just got the $500.00 pitch. OK, I'll have to try again.

If you do ever consider going to Tunica, let me know and I'll tell you who to talk to and what to say to get fully comped. You'll like it.

Thanks for the offer. I already have a managers business card and get comped when I am there. LV still easier and cheaper then flights to Memphis. Plus Tunica kind of well, "grimy." But the point is that nobody is going to come and watch your people play Bacc. Fact is I have been sent quite a few of your "winning" methods over the years. I have yet to see one work. Sorry, I hate to get into the "Ellis banter" but . . .it is what it is.

Archer

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

I'd answer Garnabby but, as usual, I have no idea of what he's trying to say.

Ellis,

At least one of us is confused. (The one who already admitted it.)

Just trying to "save you from yourself"... the only person i know who can come out with a "tested" system which does worse than guessing, and which doesn't even have to be simulated to arrive at that conclusion by the (expert) tips above.

Anyways, i won my "bet" here a while back when i "bet" you'd be back.

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

Hi Jimske, actually its been more than 15 years but I'm finding that NBJ/WCB plays better today than ever before mainly because the casinos no longer close BJ tables to crowd up the remaining tables.

I played a lot of BJ on my last trip and found it to be a push over these days. You are an excellent player. You might want to give it another shot. You can hardly miss on the single and 2 deck games.

Actually. when you think about it, Vegas is in the middle of nowhere. Tunica is closer to the Memphis airport than Vegas is to the Vegas airport. Plus, the Tunica casinos have free limo service from the Memphis airport. Plus Comps are far more obtainable at Tunica. Even my $5 players get fully comped with meals, rooms, and limo service. My Green players get suites and free massages. At Tunica you spend a lot more time playing and a lot less time getting around. A Bj player of your caliber should have his airfare paid for in the first half hour. They might even comp it if you ask. Plus, its a straight up game. No cheating at all. Very different from AC or CT. I recommend it highly, particularly Horseshoe/Goldstrike.

Jimske, there have been no changes to our public forum. I merely had that casino adds section removed from public view because guys were trying to sell 150 unit systems on it. I can't allow such high risk systems on my watch. If you must risk 150 units, its just a question of time before you lose 150 units. I can't allow my name to be associated in any way with such an exposure. As you know, just like you, I believe in very low risk systems and I prefer low buy ins like 8 units. If you can't win with 15 units you shouldn't be playing. A player would be better off flat betting as you do. I've just seen too many players lose everything on those high risk "can't lose" systems. Businesses, houses, restaurants, farms, you name it.

Like on the last trip. A player we know very well was trying to sell us on his follow the 5 system that uses a 12358 15 prog. Said he never loses. He then lost 6 straight shoes to the tune of $60,000 while the 4 of us beat the same 6 shoes playing right next to him and buying in at 8 units. And, they were easy shoes to beat. I've watched those kinds of things happen hundreds of times and want no part of it.

It was probably just a glitch when you logged in. Try it again. The only changes we are making is easier access to the private forum. Better deals.

If you do ever consider going to Tunica, let me know and I'll tell you who to talk to and what to say to get fully comped. You'll like it.

More junk.

[Ellis]

Well you guys have to talk about something. Might as well be me since you don't seem to have anything of your own to talk about. Ya'll can't even discuss me W/O getting into skirmishes with each other. Hell, we could win 100 trips and you guys would still find something to complain about. That's what you're good at.

Lilochic or whoever that was that addressed that Baccarat question to Keith. You asked the wrong person. Keith is our computer guy like Mike is here. You don't ask Mike Baccarat questions.

You think WE are unfriendly. Geez, have you ever read THIS forum?

But to answer your question, I think its best to stick with the 3 main free systems. They are 50/50 systems just as Garnabby says but if you heed my advice and reduce your prog to 2 plays in streak favorable shoes you'll do well and come out ahead on most shoes. Many have earned their tuition that way.

In so far as a 100% mechanical system, SAP is 100% mechanical and has been winning for three years now. It functions on the fact that one event will appear least common vs its normal frequency of occurrence. That's what the other team was playing on the Vegas trip and they all won. (The team that Garnabby wasn't monitoring)

Basic SKOR is also purly mechanical. Half the guys were playing that on the last Tunica trip and they won to the tune of about 75% just as they reported. Of course they all could have been lying except that we all played the same table and everyone knew how everyone did. We can all actually count chips you know.

Personally I don't prefer purely mechanical play. I look for the table with the strongest trend and play the system that beats that trend. For me at least, whether BJ or Bac, I think that using your head has significant advantage over pure mechanical.

I don't know, I'll take Garnabby's word that his calculus up there is correct. But, its based on a false assumption. He assumes that the cards are random. Anyone who has played as long as I have KNOWS that isn't true. If it were, there would be no point in playing whatsoever. Yet he seems to recommend counts, Strange since counts would be totally useless in random cards. Hmmm

Jimske, what was that word you used to describe Tunica? Grainy? or something like that. Geez, what more could you want? They even speak a language similar to English. Geez, the South ain't so bad. Well maybe except for all the Republicans.

Hmmm, more complaints about IQs. Grain of salt. It's always the low IQ guys that camplain about the High IQ guys. BTW, I think all Presidential/ vice presidential candidates should undergo screening IQ testing. We could have avoided suffering through the Bush years. Sarah Palin would probably get institutionalized.

[Ellis]

"More Junk": Well said Garnabby, You spelled both words right. So intelligent! Ha, talk about friendly.

[Archer]

Ellis, "grimy" as in dirty! That is the word I used. Gold Strike and Horseshoe are dirty. In NJ we would say "skeavy."

I have SAP, it doesn't work! It's a 50-50 game all right and that is the number that keeps Ellis going. Half win some of the time and half lose some of the time!

Ellis has his own site which is kind of falling apart so now he is here trying to drum up interest and $$ from a new pool of subscribers.

New rule for me. You can have the last word Ellis. I won't be giving you the satisfaction of entertaining your comments here any more. If folks want to go over to BTC (System of the Month Club) and cough up $500.00 that is there business. If want to say smething about your Baccarat systems or marketing methods I will come to your site. And you have every right to kick me off AGAIN!

Good bye,

Archer

[Ellis]

Originally Posted by Archer

Ellis, "grimy" as in dirty! That is the word I used. Gold Strike and Horseshoe are dirty. In NJ we would say "skeavy."

I have SAP, it doesn't work! It's a 50-50 game all right and that is the number that keeps Ellis going. Half win some of the time and half lose some of the time!

Ellis has his own site which is kind of falling apart so now he is here trying to drum up interest and $$ from a new pool of subscribers.

New rule for me. You can have the last word Ellis. I won't be giving you the satisfaction of entertaining your comments here any more. If folks want to go over to BTC (System of the Month Club) and cough up $500.00 that is there business. If want to say smething about your Baccarat systems or marketing methods I will come to your site. And you have every right to kick me off AGAIN!

Good bye,

Archer

I never kicked you off. I was beginning to enjoy our chats. Others thought them a complete waste of time. But I can take a hint. And no you don't have SAP. That guy posted a phony.

[littogage]

Mr. Ellis, my screen name is clearly littogage and not "lilochic". I won't pretend to know or understand your spelling, yet I read clearly of you correcting others in such regards. It is amusing and entertaining, in a less than positive manner. I certainly apologize for asking Keith the question that I did, and thank you for informing me that he is the "wrong guy" to ask. My question was on your site for 3 months with no reply from anyone, and no reply from you. Certainly I understand you are very busy, but it was my view, that to get an answer to my sincere and respectful question on your site, that was never replied to, was less than favorable to your site, and what you represent. I would like to suggest to you Mr. Ellis, sincerely, that you may want to observe how Grab The Gold communicates. Intelligent, helpful, insightful, caring, personable, and without the negative and demeaning replies to others that share their views, and thoughts. Mr. Ellis, if I were to meet you in person, I would introduce myself to you, shake your hand, in a manner that is friendly and respectful. I have nothing but well wishes of good health, happiness, and peace for you and your family. I will not engage in personal insults, name calling, the demeaning or humiliation of others, or dishonesty. Those and other negative aspects helps NO ONE!!!

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

I don't know, I'll take Garnabby's word that his calculus up there is correct. But, its based on a false assumption. He assumes that the cards are random. Anyone who has played as long as I have KNOWS that isn't true. If it were, there would be no point in playing whatsoever. Yet he seems to recommend counts, Strange since counts would be totally useless in random cards. Hmmm.

Ellis,

The ONLY assumption used was Ellis' 88% win-rate (of shoes). Which we all really know is about 39% too-high. BTW, Ellis, do you know ANYTHING about math, even what is calculus... certainly not that algebra above, but for once you did spell something right.

Asfaras counts, there's nothing random about eg, there being 416 cards in an 8-deck shoe. Looks like you don't know anything about bj either? Not even its well-known concept of "situational betting"?

Good luck with your tournament(s), maybe that's the only way you'll ever win... as winners aren't guaranteed in the real games.

[Ellis]

Originally Posted by littogage

Mr. Ellis, my screen name is clearly littogage and not "lilochic". I won't pretend to know or understand your spelling, yet I read clearly of you correcting others in such regards. It is amusing and entertaining, in a less than positive manner. I certainly apologize for asking Keith the question that I did, and thank you for informing me that he is the "wrong guy" to ask. My question was on your site for 3 months with no reply from anyone, and no reply from you. Certainly I understand you are very busy, but it was my view, that to get an answer to my sincere and respectful question on your site, that was never replied to, was less than favorable to your site, and what you represent. I would like to suggest to you Mr. Ellis, sincerely, that you may want to observe how Grab The Gold communicates. Intelligent, helpful, insightful, caring, personable, and without the negative and demeaning replies to others that share their views, and thoughts. Mr. Ellis, if I were to meet you in person, I would introduce myself to you, shake your hand, in a manner that is friendly and respectful. I have nothing but well wishes of good health, happiness, and peace for you and your family. I will not engage in personal insults, name calling, the demeaning or humiliation of others, or dishonesty. Those and other negative aspects helps NO ONE!!!

Littogage, Sorry about the spelling. Once into the post I saw no way to go back and check the spelling of your user name. We have a lilochic on our forum. I was momentarily confused which is not unusual at my age.

I am considered a perfect Saratoga gentleman and perfectly sincere and honest by everyone who knows me. But that includes no one on this site. These people who don't know me from Adam came to my site and attacked me under various aliases for no reason they can explain. I have no idea why. I don't think they do either. But strangely bashing Ellis has become a favorite sport these days. This seems strange to me after all the years I've put into this business, all the books I wrote and all the players I've helped.

Now shoe game card counting gurus I could understand because I exposed card counting for what it has become - A myth perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. Card counting has no winners anywhere, including here. But I taught thousands of them NBJ and I know their statistics. So their Gurus, who don't even play, jumped all over me. But these guys here aren't even BJ players, let alone card counters. Yet some here are obviously full of hatred for me. And they get all their information from others of the same ilk who also don't know me whatsoever.

I don't really care what they say here. But when they go to my potential customers on my own site and tell them I'm a fraud that's going too far. The only person here who has ever even seen me play is Garnabby. I won 18 out of 20 hands yet Garnabby found something nasty to post all over the internet about it. For what purpose? I'm sure he hoped I would lose. Fat chance.

I'm a terrible speller myself and wish they would put spell checks on these things. But when someone claims to be an expert in a subject and then spells that subject wrong, Both words..... It would be like me spelling Black Jack wrong, both words.

Look, I didn't start this. The guys right here did. But here's a deal. You guys stop coming to my forum and others and badmouthing me for no reason and I'll stop bothering you guys. Is that too much to ask?

[Ellis]

Originally Posted by garnabby

Ellis,

The ONLY assumption used was Ellis' 88% win-rate (of shoes). Which we all really know is about 39% too-high. BTW, Ellis, do you know ANYTHING about math, even what is calculus... certainly not that algebra above, but for once you did spell something right.

Asfaras counts, there's nothing random about eg, there being 416 cards in an 8-deck shoe. Looks like you don't know anything about bj either? Not even its well-known concept of "situational betting"?

Good luck with your tournament(s), maybe that's the only way you'll ever win... as winners aren't guaranteed in the real games.

Garnabby, I think you just completely destroyed Littogage's entire point.

See Littogage! Garnabby knows perfectly well that I taught math including Calculus (and Physics BTW) at both SUNY and RPI. He's probably even checked their records. He also knows that I wrote the best selling BJ books of all time.

So what is his problem? Why all this hatred for someone he doesn't know in the slightest? Is he simply deranged? At least then he would have an excuse. As it is, he has no excuse. Is it an IQ thing? An education thing? Books maybe? Or simple derangement. I might get a little testy at times under sufficient provocation but I don't go completely whacko every chance I get. So please don't throw the gentleman routine up in my face and next produce the likes of Garnabby. He is the main poster here. He sways the reputation of this whole forum. And it ain't pretty.

I hope next time he sees me in a casino that he simply walks up and punches me in the nose. At least then maybe he could get it out of his system. But alas, probably not.

[Ellis]

Oh Littogage, I forgot to give you my only excuse for not replying to your question on my own forum. The fact is, right or wrong, I don't get a notification of all public posts. Its some computer mumbo jumbo about whether I'm subscribed to a particular thread or not. I don't know, computers came along long after my time.

We really should have another person to handle the public forum. Keith is computer literate but not Bac literate. Frankly, nobody wants the job. They get attacked for their efforts. I spend 16 hours a day 7 days a week on the private forum (for less than minimum wage BTW).

Frankly, I wish we only had the 3 main 2Hi's on the public forum. I think the others just confuse the issue and the 2Hi's are more than a handful for most new players. They have a hard enough time with those let alone more complex systems like NU or Skip.

Another problem is the disarray of the public forum. For instance, I have answered your question at least a hundred times over there and yet again just today. (Not counting on this forum)

Perhaps we should have a thread called "Most commonly asked questions". Maybe then I wouldn't keep getting the same questions over and over. I know it could be better but I just don't have the time and nobody else wants it. I don't blame them. Then you end up dealing with the likes of Garnabby who seems to have all the time in the world.

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

See Littogage! Garnabby knows perfectly well that I taught math including Calculus (and Physics BTW) at both SUNY and RPI. He's probably even checked their records. He also knows that I wrote the best selling BJ books of all time.

But you hold no PhD, a requirement then.

So, i ask you one more time, where did you do your PhD, who sponsered you, and what was your student #?

Prove it. Prove anything that came out of your mouth. Disprove anything anyone has adversely written about you.

Can you do anything other than confuse everything else? Or "run away" by deleting anything over there which is correct? What are you going to do now that you can't "run" any more.

Ellis, try talking about the game for once.

[Ellis]

Garnabby, I owe you absolutely nothing. You just make stuff up as you go to suit your own twisted fancy. That's your problem not mine. You know absolutely nothing about me yet you pawn yourself off as some kind of expert. Your are a complete phony and a liar and a stuffed shirt. You have no credentials whatsoever. What in the world do you have against me? You can't even say. That's pretty darn sick. I've never run away from anything. I'm certainly not going to run away from the likes of you. Talk about the game? Geez man that's all I do and have been for 25 years. But not to you. I'm tired of being called a liar. So why bother? And I talk pretty darn plain particularly campared to your rhetoric. I never know what in God's name you're talking about. But sooner or later "liar" pops out plain and clear. You've got that word down pat. Hide? What are you talking about. Everyone knows my name and address and telephone number. Its always been public information. I don't hide. Thats just you making up more bull shit. What, does it make you feel powerful or something? That's sick you know.

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

Garnabby, I owe you absolutely nothing. You just make stuff up as you go to suit your own twisted fancy. That's your problem not mine. You know absolutely nothing about me yet you pawn yourself off as some kind of expert. Your are a complete phony and a liar and a stuffed shirt. You have no credentials whatsoever. What in the world do you have against me. You can't even say. That's pretty darn sick.

I am not you Ellis. Stop talking to me as if i were.

My focus has always been on the game. In your case, on the damage you've inflicted on it (, long before i ever got around to it). Someone has to try to set the record right, if we're ever going to attract the persons who can truly help us all play the game better.

[Ellis]

So you apointed yourself! On what basis? You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know the first thing about me. You just make it up in your head. A complete windbag. Is that plain enough?

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

So you apointed yourself! On what basis? You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know the first thing about me. You just make it up in your head. A complete windbag. Is that plain enough?

Sure is.

Spike's a faster learner.

[Ellis]

Your focus is NOT on the game. My focus is on the game. Your focus is on me. I've never heard you utter a single word about the game. Not on your forum, Not on mine. All you talk about is me, which you know absolutely nothing about. You've got so bad you believe your own lies. Thats an obsession.

[Ellis]

OK, I'll talk Baccarat for all the good it will do you. Get your head off of me for a minute and try to wrap your brain around this: I'll try to keep it plain and simple.

Baccarat is not about individual systems.
It's not about fancy progressions.
It's not about the other players.
It's about one thing and one thing only: Disparity
Disparity totally controls your hands won rate
But you must look at Disparity 6 different ways:
First there are three bases of disparity:
There's Bank vs Player
There's opposites vs repeats
There's TB4L vs OTB4L
Each of the three bases has three possibilities:
High Disparity, low disparity, Neither
You ignore the neithers
You want to identify The STRONGEST disparity of the six
Its either strongest because its the highest or because its the lowest
Either way, you can beat it once identified
Net betting beats low disparity
Single side betting beats high disparity
You need to know Six systems, one to match each of the six disparities
If you are careful to pick the strongest, it seldom changes within a shoe.
In fact, it only changes for that shoe color when the shuffle is changed or the machine settings are changed. In fact the strongest disparity often last throughout the entire shift.

Example: Vegas, Gold Coast. I walked from the restaurant to the Bac pit. The first tote board I saw had very very strong TB4L disparity. TB4L plays outnumbered OTB4L plays ten to 1. I KNEW we were going to win before we sat down. That's why I argued with the pit boss to not shuffle. Net betting would be disastrous in that situation. The system to play is TB4L single side betting. That's what we played after arguing the pit boss out of shuffling. We won 18 out of 20 hands, 16 quarters each in ten minutes right under your nose.

That's what I teach on both the public forum and the private forum. Thats how my players win all their trips.

When I play alone I simply look for the strongest Disparity in the casino and play the right system at that table. I've been winning that way for 25 years. Anyone with avg intelligence can do the same. Its about hands won ratio. You don't need to bet more than 2 units. You can usually get away with flat betting as we did in Vegas right under your nose.

I play BJ exactly the same way. BJ is about hi lo disparity. You have the advantage in high card disparity the dealer has the advantage in lo card disparity. The dealer breaks more in hi card disparity and less or not at all in lo card disparity. You stand in hi and you hit in lo. Basic Strategy has that exactly backwards. Why would you stand with less than 17 precisely when the dealer is least likely to break? I seldom double or split. I don't need to. My hands won rate is a solid 52%. BS wins 43% on its best day. You CAN'T win the game with a 43% hands won rate. That's why casinos give out BS cards.

Now you can call me all the names you want but I'll play you anytime either game and you know what? I will soundly beat your ass. I've played windbags like you before. So put up or shut up.

[Ellis]

Originally Posted by garnabby

I am not you Ellis. Stop talking to me as if i were.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Why do you always try to obfuscate the converation? Why can't you explain your actions and your words in plain English? I can only conclude that you have no explanation that you simply take a fancy to hurting people you don't know from Adam.

You claim I hurt the game. On what basis do you come to that conclusion?

What makes you so high and mighty? What books have you written? Where are your contributions to the game? All you can do is scoff at the efforts of those who do contribute. And on what basis? None whatsoever. No credentials whatsoever. Just a blow hard windbag out to amuse himself by hurting others. No, You AREN'T me. That's for damn sure. You wouldn't recognize a good approach if it fell on your head.

[garnabby]

Originally Posted by Ellis

What makes you so high and mighty? What books have you written? Where are your contributions to the game? All you can do is scoff at the efforts of those who do contribute. And on what basis? None whatsoever. No credentials whatsoever. Just a blow hard windbag out to amuse himself by hurting others. No, You AREN'T me. That's for damn sure. You wouldn't recognize a good approach if it fell on your head.

Misery loves company. That's why you go on and on about nothing... trying to draw the other hopelessly-lost persons into your own stuffy little ("New-Jonestown") bubble of Tunica at BTC. Even when you say you're talking baccarat, it's just more junk. Even when you list your own (otherwise) impressive academic credentials, and braggingly, you unknowingly omit the necessary titles (of PhD, etc). No one puts up the costs and efforts for a qualified IQ-exam, only to again forget to note (even after inquires) which of the various types and scales.

I have claimed nothing (worth claiming) in any respect on any of these boards; but prefer to let my work speak for itself, because neither have i claimed anything, nor have i in any way received any remuneration for it. In short, try as you (or anyone else) may, you "won't find anything on me". I owe you nothing for my own efforts. And, frankly, i feel no more sorrow for your plight. There comes a point of no return, of no going back, for each of us.

And the more desperate you become, the more that pattern-of-behavior rears its miserable head. Ellis tries to "shoot some more sh*t", gets caught, then heads for the nearest "closet" to try to cover things up again. The more your "cult" world shrinks... first the members/posts, then the sub-boards out-of-control, then the board goes on/off, then you retreat to your disastrous bj-systems, then on another "drunk" for a few days (while sincere visitors like lilochik, and littogage, go "unnoticed" by the "uncle-master" Ellis until you hope they're ready for the "please uncle Ellis, i'm giving gambling one more chance, make me a winner like you said you could" stuff). What's next, besides a new "best-ever system" this month... a $10,000 yearly fee? How much smaller can your world become before its collapse? I stopped a long time ago even turning your page on for a laugh...now it never changes, except only smaller and stuffier.

If one out of 1000 falls for it, that's good enough for you. What do you care if some guy gives you his last $500 for rent-money, only to discover he loses the next, and the next... . When statistically, only one out of 100 of those will ask for a refund, which by the way, no one has ever probably received. How could they, with more talk like the above coming at them. And that's all you have to do for it... the same spiel over and over, second verse same as the first (empty one). Wouldn't it be something if you, yourself stumbled on something? I'd make my second bet on you that you'd be the LAST on the the face of this earth to sell/share it in any manner.

No one in his right mind is going to fly to Tunica for anything, let alone for a cheap room/dinner, and a car ride to the other side of nowhere. And i'd certainly go nowhere to see you do anything, not even across the street for a free ice-cream.

If you truly must "paint every one else with the same brush" as yourself to find a friend, or scam for a measly $500 here and there, please don't return to this site. I truly couldn't care less about you than right now. And i never cared about who buys/just plays which system... no skin off my nose. (If one based his/her happiness on things like that, then there would be no hope.)

Taking a note from Archer, et al, i must now effect my own leave from this "garbage". Will try to ignore the remainder of this. Ellis, that means you get the FINAL WORD. Eat your heart out!

[Ellis]

Not necessary. I'll let your words speak for themselves.

[Ellis]

Oh, except for one thing. I never mentioned Tunica. After all, I hear its grimey. Let's try bright, clean New Jersey. My old stomping grounds, AC, is actually closer to you than to me. We can stay away from the polluted water and the rollers won't bother a big pair like us. But then, its not about location is it?

[littogage]

Thank you Mr. Ellis for your reply. I genuinely do appreciate it. I would also like to compliment you, in regards to what you shared about baccarat, which I viewed as concise, insightful, helpful, straight to the point, and thoughtful of you to share. I would also like to share, that I personally agree 100% of what you shared, regarding baccarat. Regarding other matters, I have personally learned, in business, work with those that will work with you, and there is nothing you can do about the rest. In regards to personal attacks, and character assassinations, my view is "we all reap what we sow". It may not be today or tomorrow or next week, but it will absolutely happen sooner or later. I simply ignore the ignore the negative, and enjoy the good, true, and wonderful life that is given to me. Life is too short and precious to enjoy it less than the miracle that it truly is.

[Ellis]

Originally Posted by littogage

Thank you Mr. Ellis for your reply. I genuinely do appreciate it. I would also like to compliment you, in regards to what you shared about baccarat, which I viewed as concise, insightful, helpful, straight to the point, and thoughtful of you to share. I would also like to share, that I personally agree 100% of what you shared, regarding baccarat. Regarding other matters, I have personally learned, in business, work with those that will work with you, and there is nothing you can do about the rest. In regards to personal attacks, and character assassinations, my view is "we all reap what we sow". It may not be today or tomorrow or next week, but it will absolutely happen sooner or later. I simply ignore the ignore the negative, and enjoy the good, true, and wonderful life that is given to me. Life is too short and precious to enjoy it less than the miracle that it truly is.

Extremely well said littogage and you are entirely welcome. And I totally agree with you. I'm used to fair argument from the card counting crowd. And high IQ people get abused for it all their life. That's all personal. But when someone, for no reason whatsoever, goes after my business. Well people depend on me for their income. That's where I draw the line.

He stole a customer of mine. Now that student is going to look to Garnabby to teach him. And all he will get is a bunch of non sensical gobbledegook. He made his bed. Now he can live with it.

I realize my class here was extremely brief but maybe it will get a few of you brighter guys started down the right path. I'll be more than happy to address any questions you have over on my public forum.

[anotherusernametaken]

It must be sweeps. Story lines and writing are ramped up.

[thebaccaratkid]

just wondering Ellis what chips in us dollars do you bet on average per hand ?