Thread: Betting technique for small bankroll

Hello,

I am fairly new to Baccarat. I was able to win in real live shoes, and also lost using the hated martingale method.

Since then what I do I cash in for 4 unit and make 2-5 units and quit.

Do you have any idea how it is possible to make some profit with flatbetting ? I hate martingale since I lost.

Do you have a prefixed pattern to play or you use follow the winning hand, the PP BB PBP BPB strategy?

If you have any winning flatbettings I would appricetae it.

Did anyone can tell more the 1-3-2-4 method as well?

Thanks for any comments.
Bambura

Originally Posted by Bambura

Hello,

I am fairly new to Baccarat. I was able to win in real live shoes, and also lost using the hated martingale method.

Since then what I do I cash in for 4 unit and make 2-5 units and quit.

Do you have any idea how it is possible to make some profit with flatbetting ? I hate martingale since I lost.

Do you have a prefixed pattern to play or you use follow the winning hand, the PP BB PBP BPB strategy?

If you have any winning flatbettings I would appricetae it.

Did anyone can tell more the 1-3-2-4 method as well?

Thanks for any comments.
Bambura

Seems simple enough - just keep on playing live shoes! ;-)

Seriously though, with flat betting you must win more hands than you lose. A neg. progression will not make a losing game into a winning one - well, sort of. If you lose just a hair more than win you have to assume that some kind of progression will allow you to exploit Win Loss patterns as long as you generally don't lose a lot in a row. But . . .that is inevitable.

For a small bank perhaps the Charles Guetting is the best since it keeps you betting smaller when you are losing but allows you to bet bigger when you win without saccraficing a lot of won units. I think you will like the Guetting. One of the guys mentioned it in his post. You should be able to find it easy enough on line.

Archer

Here is another example of flat betting v. progressions. The prog risks 28 units in 7 hands and is an up as you win and up as you lose prog depending on the situation. These 12 consecutive shoes were played with a progression but if flat bet would give the following result:

18,6,0,0,5,-2,-3,8,-1,6,9,3 total 49 gross units or 4.08 per shoe.

That 18 unit first shoe was a rare beast (remove it).

Here is the prog. results:

38,25,17,21,23,-13,-3,18,14,23,38,3, total 204 gross units or 17 per shoe

For fun note the first shoe (38 units) and the second to last shoe (38 units). Flat bet was 18 and 9 respectively. Progressions are all about Win/Loss relationships.

Note the shoe win %. Flat bet wins 7 shoes; prog wins 10. In the long run your % win per dollar bet is about the same with each method. I would rather reduce my unit size to coordinate with my bankroll than play a higher unit and flat bet, wouldn't you?

Note that on Grab the Gold's 3 demo shoes flat bet would have been 0, 8, and -6 respectively (if I counted right!). See the difference? He actually won all shoes.

Archer

Thanks Archer for the compliments, it is usefull. I made a search about Charles Guetting , but did not find any related thread.

Would you be able to write me what it is actually? A betting pattern , or some other rules? I was using the PPBBB with martingale, but it is unsuccessfull, and I need to learn flatbetting with a successfull pattern playing.

If you could advice something that would be amazing, and what it is this charles guetting thing?

Thanks,

Bambura

Grrrr. lol, I typed in "Guetting progression" and the first hit was:

Roulette basics - THE GUETTING PROGRESSION

But that's okay. I think all serious players should at least be aware of this.


Archer

Thank you Archer for the useful information. I will practice this system.

Bambura

Originally Posted by Bambura

I made a search about Charles Guetting , but did not find any related thread.

After seeing Archer's link I remembered I had an old text file with Charles Guetting's progression... I changed references of red/black to Banker/Player to make it easier to understand, but the rest is unchanged.. I put it up here in the Baccarat Discussion section:

Charles Guetting Progression Applied to Baccarat

I didn't write it, but I found it interesting enough to save on my computer so I wanted to share..

Thanks JohnBanco


It is completely clear, I can not wait to play it in real shoes. Far better betting system so far, because even if you loose more times, than you win, you can still have some nice profit.

Thanks for explaining it.

Bambura

Bambura if you cant win flat betting then your risking a lot to win a little,I have never been a fan of progressive betting to me its a foolish pursuit, fortunately early on in my baccarat career i learnt to bet against people and gain my winning advantage that way, after all casinos where build on the money lost at in part the baccarat tables so why not take advantage of it... i play with as little as 5-10 units on any given day and win between 1-10 units a day depending on how much time i have to spend at the baccarat table... Read my post on "my style of play" you may learn the best way to win with a small bankroll

Originally Posted by thebaccaratkid

Bambura if you cant win flat betting then your risking a lot to win a little,I have never been a fan of progressive betting to me its a foolish pursuit, fortunately early on in my baccarat career i learnt to bet against people and gain my winning advantage that way, after all casinos where build on the money lost at in part the baccarat tables so why not take advantage of it... i play with as little as 5-10 units on any given day and win between 1-10 units a day depending on how much time i have to spend at the baccarat table... Read my post on "my style of play" you may learn the best way to win with a small bankroll

Each to his own. Personally I would have a hard time playing the way kid plays. Reason is it is very subjective and I need a little more clarity in a game. Now, if he could mechanize it, write it down, with some hard and fast rule that would be something. I guess it is just the old BJ player in me. I like to know I am making advantage bets even if they have to be a "group" of advantage bets and not just one decision.

Also, the Guetting is certainly no riskier than flat betting. Apparently kid hasn't taken the time to peruse it. Problems I have with the Guetting are twofold. First, it does not take advantage of the lose one/win one (L/W) combo which happens so often in Bacc (so I change it to lose the flat bet and bet 1.5 next time. lose that and back to 1 unit). Second, it takes a pretty long winning streak to get the units. But when it happens there is no risk to our bankroll and boy, when you get those 12 wins in a row you really can make the dough! And that does happen.

Archer