To those who waited for me to release my system...

[garnabby]

That was a humorous thread about Neverdies dying method.

Anyway, I would like to take exception to the comment above. Of course it is important to play mistake free and with discipline in order to not deviate from a truly winning method. Other than that exit strategy means nothing - it just postpones the inevitable. With any winning method the more bets one can place per hour the better and the more money you can lay on the table (within risk of ruin parameters) the better. It's that simple. Stop loss, money management for it's own sake does NOT make a negative method into a positive one.

The reason I bother to mention this is because I believe this is one of the greatest myths contributing to gambling losses.

Archer

Well, this is another one i like to weigh in the middle of.

I feel though that it's a good idea to leave a game if up a bit after a good go at it. (Not too early in a session.) Because quick losses often can't be quickly re-gained. The psychological energy from even a slight win can carry us through a lot of other "headaches".

Also, it's more a general utility concept to take one's biggest risks more often "early in the game". To make the most of those mistakes earlier in life, when can still recover.

[Archer]

Well, this is another one i like to weigh in the middle of.

I feel though that it's a good idea to leave a game if up a bit after a good go at it. (Not too early in a session.) Because quick losses often can't be quickly re-gained. The psychological energy from even a slight win can carry us through a lot of other "headaches".

Also, it's more a general utility concept to take one's biggest risks more often "early in the game". To make the most of those mistakes earlier in life, when can still recover.

Yup, there are very good psychological reasons to stop a game. I have come home and "finished" games I quit at the casino and found both good and bad results. No correlation for stopping.

Archer

[neverdie14]

John1234,

What else can i say brother. You should be in a "religious" forum. One that promotes tolerance and forgiveness instead of wasting your time with us real gamblers. Ever seen a poker game? What about a football game? and most importantly, the game of life. Who gets ahead? The people that are calculating, ruthless, and don't give a rat's ass OR the people scraping and fighting to get by and are losing their homes and jobs?

It's a different world out there then what's on your college campus. Been there, done that, over 14 years ago. What about what's going on with the economy? Who's getting your/Our money? Oh, it's the banks and mainly just a hand full of them. Who's getting a bail out? Oh, it's the careless corporations and Wall street risk takers, get my drift?

It's "nice" that you see the "good" in people but be prepared to stand your ground against any and all clowns. This clown, Never Lie#14, his brain is like a circus clown with a big red nose riding a bicycle in cirlces. He doesn't know where to go and i walk up , stop him, and pull the horns off his bicycle and honk at his face . That's him in a nut shell, Never Lie#14 is the clown that spit at you guys when he took you for a ride on his clown bike and turned and threw you off the clown bike now you're on the ground and he walks over and spits at you, waiting suckers huh huh huh huuuh, he says . To me he's nothing but an ass clown, a circus clown reject. Just for spitting at you guys he deserves to clean my toilet with his tongue.

P.M. me if you want to talk about other subjects.

Mike S.

I duly apologize of course. No need to slaughter me Lord muff dive. I am and have done nothing like you described. What establishes a true warrior of light and love is one who experiences the worst in life and still keeps a golden heart and an open, understanding mind. Regardless of what the "code" needed to be successful in this dark world.

Anyway, here's a really effective system....but requires a big bank roll to make it effective. Simply because the net win per shoe is only 1-12 units.

Max loss per shoe is less 1-8 units. Wins more shoes than it looses.

What you do is establish first whether you are going to bet banker or player. If the first hand is banker, you are going for banker....first hand player you are going for player.

Total bankroll needed for lifetime of system is 100 units.

The goal is to make 12 units and then stop, or reach the halfway point of a "ten step".

I will explain.

You start betting banker.

Here's an example shoe...

bbbpppbbpbppbbbbppbbbppbpbbpbpbbbpbbppppbpppppbb

ppbbppppbpbbbbpbpbbpp

here's exampe play for the above shoe (w=win, l=loss,3=3unit bet,...=end of ten step)

wwwlll3wlwll3www...
wwlll3wlwll3

Ok, now, we started betting banker. Once we hit 3 losses (not in a row, just 3 losses) you then bet 3 units. Once we hit 10 wins (not in a row, just 10 wins) you switch to the other side.

Once you hit ten wins, you have finished a ten step, and are now betting on the opposite side until you hit ten wins.

This shoe finished at 12 units profit.

If we were still down units at this point, we would continue until halfway through the third ten step. That is as far as you go into a shoe. No further. Most shoes end in a profit...the loosing shoes aren't that much of a loss.

Just post questions, I will answer any I can.

[NaturalNines]

Here's the problem Neverdie14, you say you never lose a shoe, and that you never lost a hand or a few, then you say it happens 3-10 times a shoe. This is NOT the system you said it was.

With this method if you hit a series of losses on 3 units call it good night. Care to explain? You said you flat bet right? Quit beating around the bushes.

[neverdie14]

Here's the problem Neverdie14, you say you never lose a shoe, and that you never lost a hand or a few, then you say it happens 3-10 times a shoe. This is NOT the system you said it was.

With this method if you hit a series of losses on 3 units call it good night. Care to explain? You said you flat bet right? Quit beating around the bushes.

The system posted above is not the system you are talking of.

And there is a stop loss. Of course you are not going to keep betting until you are down 20 units.

[NaturalNines]

So then, before Lord Muff dive finds this post and calls you out on your BS once again. How do you explain your posts about your "ORIGINAL" "system" you know, the perfect one? The flat bet method, never losing? now you have a stop loss? I thought you never lost? Quit the BS you never had a winning syetem. SHOW US THE ORIGINAL ONE YOU MENTIONED, or you never had it?

[neverdie14]

So then, before Lord Muff dive finds this post and calls you out on your BS once again. How do you explain your posts about your "ORIGINAL" "system" you know, the perfect one? The flat bet method, never losing? now you have a stop loss? I thought you never lost? Quit the BS you never had a winning syetem. SHOW US THE ORIGINAL ONE YOU MENTIONED, or you never had it?

What I just posted was a winning system.

Why you post about lordmuffdive as if he is to be feared and I need to hide is beyond me.

Did I state this system never lost?

I posted that I would not post that system. At least not here publicly. I am not here to prove anything, but to do something at least as close to what I stated I would do when first joining here.

[NaturalNines]

BULLSHIT! If you weren't going to give us the original "system" why the heck did you show your face again? You're beyond me Neverdie14. Ok then if you have the original system send it to my inbox and i will vouch if it works and no one on this forum will need to know your system, i won't give it out. If it doesn't work then i'll say it doesn't without giving out the "system" . Up for the challenge?

[NaturalNines]

I'm waiting man...Any day now. I don't have all day you know.

[neverdie14]

BULLSHIT! If you weren't going to give us the original "system" why the heck did you show your face again? You're beyond me Neverdie14. Ok then if you have the original system send it to my inbox and i will vouch if it works and no one on this forum will need to know your system, i won't give it out. If it doesn't work then i'll say it doesn't without giving out the "system" . Up for the challenge?

No.

But I will reveal it to you personally and a few others at a later date. I just need time to think it over. There's no bs. And you can post your experience. I don't want to be "vouched" for. That's not my purpose. I'm seeking to educate, not gain any type of attention.

[NaturalNines]

How much longer do you keep this charade up? another couple of months? a year? All you freaking have to do is give it to one person and they will confirm it. Think it over? You freaking had 2 fcuking months. Now you need to polish up your losing system? BULLSHIT!

[neverdie14]

How much longer do you keep this charade up? another couple of months? a year? All you freaking have to do is give it to one person and they will confirm it. Think it over? You freaking had 2 fcuking months. Now you need to polish up your losing system? BULLSHIT!

Polish?

No, just consider whether I should really effect karma and release it.

By the way, it's been revealed already, by myself, in my own original posting it DOES loose sometimes.

Read the entire post.

[garnabby]

neverdie14,

If the first hand is banker, you are going for banker....first hand player you are going for player.

Fewer decks favor the banker-bet, so why not always favor the player-bet to start (, if disregarding the slight banker-bet edge over the player-bet, to starat)? In other words, why follow the first decision?

Total bankroll needed for lifetime of system is 100 units.

Until it dies, right? NO system, even with a bona-fide edge over the house, will likely succeed in the long-term given only 100 units. I wouldn't even show up for a session w/o a 100 units.

Once we hit 3 losses (not in a row, just 3 losses) you then bet 3 units.

Wouldn't it be better to wait for the less-frequent 4-in-a-row? To then allow the negative progression to "stop" the row-losses at 3, by profiting only 1 unit by it (, by betting 1, 2, 4, etc,) instead of hanging around (wasting time) only to "bleed yourself to death" when the eventual bad runs hit, that NaturalNines referred to?

Once we hit 10 wins (not in a row, just 10 wins) you switch to the other side..

Why? The gambler's fallacy?

Why not 14?

... I will answer any I can.

You don't sound very-confident?

[NaturalNines]

Thank You Garnabby, The voice of reason in all of this nonsense Neverdie is talking about. He's still showing up after being told to stop the BS.

[neverdie14]

Thank You Garnabby, The voice of reason in all of this nonsense Neverdie is talking about. He's still showing up after being told to stop the BS.

I will continue to post, until my membership is terminated.

Garnabby, I came to these conclusions, after testing 150 shoes.

That is the only reason I considered it effective enough to post.

[joshky]

No.

But I will reveal it to you personally and a few others at a later date. I just need time to think it over. There's no bs. And you can post your experience. I don't want to be "vouched" for. That's not my purpose. I'm seeking to educate, not gain any type of attention.

I don't think he has such a system.

[neverdie14]

I don't think he has such a system.

I will reveal it in due time to individuals not publicly.

But it may not be when it's most wanted.

[NaturalNines]

I don't think he has such a system.

He never had it Joshky, You know it, I know it. He then comes out with this replacement BS method he posted and Me, you, and Garnabby calls him out on it. This guy is beyond me.

[NaturalNines]

You know what Joshky, i've got something to do instead of messing around with this BULLSHITTER(always lie14) so you call him out ok? This guy is a joke like poking a "monkey with a stick" kind of joke.

[garnabby]

I will continue to post, until my membership is terminated.

neverdie14,

I have yet to see Mike terminate a member who hasn't blantantly posted universally-offending material. (Mike doesn't say much... hasn't needed to, i guess.)

It's not impossible, anything you have claimed... such streaks of luck DO happen to a few of those playing every day.

And i, myself, wish you all the luck in the world. But most of us are going to need something more, your contributions included.

[joshky]

You know what Joshky, i've got something to do instead of messing around with this BULLSHITTER(always lie14) so you call him out ok? This guy is a joke like poking a "monkey with a stick" kind of joke.

It's not worth it.

[ADulay]

It's not impossible, anything you have claimed... such streaks of luck DO happen to a few of those playing every day.

And i, myself, wish you all the luck in the world. But most of us are going to need something more, your contributions included.

Garabby, et al,

Once again I will offer up my compiled listing of 40,000 baccarat hands to anyone who would like to test whatever system neverdie14 says he has, should he ever produce it.

No charge, of course.

AD

[neverdie14]

Garabby, et al,

Once again I will offer up my compiled listing of 40,000 baccarat hands to anyone who would like to test whatever system neverdie14 says he has, should he ever produce it.

No charge, of course.

AD

I already posted a system.

Test it against the 40k bac hands.

[gerard711]

Neverdie

"Ok, now, we started betting banker. Once we hit 3 losses (not in a row, just 3 losses) you then bet 3 units. Once we hit 10 wins (not in a row, just 10 wins) you switch to the other side."

How long do we bet 3 units till we win or just once

[neverdie14]

How long do we bet 3 units till we win or just once

You bet 3 units only once, then resume betting 1 unit.

See above example.

[John1234]

I think neverdie14 does have a system. I have been on his side since he first posted and I will continue to stay on his side. Something recent happened to make me believe it and NO HE DID NOT GIVE ME HIS SYSTEM, AND I DID NOT FIGURE IT OUT. But I think I am close..I however will not share it if I find it, because it is not my system to share. Mike, please do not terminate neverdie14.

Clues can be found in what people say. If for those of you who want the system, then go back to his old thread and reread every sentence that he says. Analyze his words and look for clues. Read between the lines and THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.

[hlkhoo]

Hi Neverdie14,
You mentioned if we have 10 wins (not in a row), we switch side. Assuming before reaching 10 wins, we recorded twice 3 losses, does that means we switch side 2 times?

[neverdie14]

Hi Neverdie14,
You mentioned if we have 10 wins (not in a row), we switch side. Assuming before reaching 10 wins, we recorded twice 3 losses, does that means we switch side 2 times?

The 3 loss step rules have nothing to do with the ten step rules. And when I say in a row, doesn't mean that if you do happen to get 10 wins a row, that you don't switch sides.

[pitty1]

I duly apologize of course. No need to slaughter me Lord muff dive. I am and have done nothing like you described. What establishes a true warrior of light and love is one who experiences the worst in life and still keeps a golden heart and an open, understanding mind. Regardless of what the "code" needed to be successful in this dark world.

Anyway, here's a really effective system....but requires a big bank roll to make it effective. Simply because the net win per shoe is only 1-12 units.

Max loss per shoe is less 1-8 units. Wins more shoes than it looses.

What you do is establish first whether you are going to bet banker or player. If the first hand is banker, you are going for banker....first hand player you are going for player.

Total bankroll needed for lifetime of system is 100 units.

The goal is to make 12 units and then stop, or reach the halfway point of a "ten step".

I will explain.

You start betting banker.

Here's an example shoe...

bbbpppbbpbppbbbbppbbbppbpbbpbpbbbpbbppppbpppppbb

ppbbppppbpbbbbpbpbbpp

here's exampe play for the above shoe (w=win, l=loss,3=3unit bet,...=end of ten step)

wwwlll3wlwll3www...
wwlll3wlwll3

Ok, now, we started betting banker. Once we hit 3 losses (not in a row, just 3 losses) you then bet 3 units. Once we hit 10 wins (not in a row, just 10 wins) you switch to the other side.

Once you hit ten wins, you have finished a ten step, and are now betting on the opposite side until you hit ten wins.

This shoe finished at 12 units profit.

If we were still down units at this point, we would continue until halfway through the third ten step. That is as far as you go into a shoe. No further. Most shoes end in a profit...the loosing shoes aren't that much of a loss.

Just post questions, I will answer any I can.

is there something wrong with this method?

[chopper999]

John1234,


To me he's nothing but an ass clown, a circus clown reject. Just for spitting at you guys he deserves to clean my toilet with his tongue.


Mike S.

LOL I get more laughs reading forum posts here than anything else I can think of LOL - OO - roo Chopper.