Thread: To those who waited for me to release my system...

Hello all,


I deeply apologize for not releasing my system as promised. The reason I did not release it, I assumed would be obvious. I've had VERY bad experiences at casinos, when winning too much. The system/s I have work TOO well, and you will not be comfortable at the casinos using them. Sometimes you can go on streaks of almost never loosing. I make changes to my systems frequently as well.

Garnaby, why would I need to join a "private" forum, or what have you, or do any of that you stated in my now "closed" thread in order to show I am, or actually be serious about baccarat? Why do people always, always, make definitive statements such as "Anyone who is serious about etc. etc., will do etc. etc."...

How can ANYONE presume what anyone is thinking or feeling based on supposedly "popular" actions that are supposedly by "popular belief" done by those feeling or thinking certain things? With millions of variables and personality types in this world, it's ignorant to presume or assume anything. As I admit my own ignorance in assuming that it would be obvious why I did not release my system, so I am posting now.

Good luck everyone.

LOL LOL. Works really well, LOL .

Very amusing post neveride14, you got about 95% of the forum fooled. At least you apologized for your ignorance. Do me a favor and go personally apologize to my buddy Mr. Eirescott, John 1234, and the others who praised you in their posts. Please don't amuse us anymore.

Listen, I don't expect to be understood.

If I amused anyone, it was not my intention, but I realy meant to release the system massly.

It does work as I say.

Then why don't you release it man. Stop the B.S. , people waited and had high hopes, way to let them down.

Originally Posted by neverdie14

Garnaby, why would I need to join a "private" forum, or what have you, or do any of that you stated in my now "closed" thread in order to show I am, or actually be serious about baccarat? Why do people always, always, make definitive statements such as "Anyone who is serious about etc. etc., will do etc. etc."...

neverdie14,

Are you gr8player? Odd that you should feel "compelled" to reply here to a "searching" reply of mine to his latest thread over there... at Gambler's Glen Message Boards : Baccarat Message Board : The "UnTripReport" .

Same issues with yourself?

Originally Posted by LordMuffdive

Very amusing post neveride14, you got about 95% of the forum fooled. At least you apologized for your ignorance. Do me a favor and go personally apologize to my buddy Mr. Eirescott, John 1234, and the others who praised you in their posts. Please don't amuse us anymore.

Well I am happy to see that you are still alive....

I didn't think that you would ever be back on this forum. I think that I have checked this site every day waiting to see if you would make a post. I guess that I got excited tooo excited about all of your posts. So most of my disappointment is a result of me allowing myself to care too much.

But I am confused about one thing, if it does not work then why aren't you going to show us? I did not understand your first post.

Originally Posted by garnabby

neverdie14,

Are you gr8player? Odd that you should feel "compelled" to reply here to a "searching" reply of mine to his latest thread over there... at Gambler's Glen Message Boards : Baccarat Message Board : The "UnTripReport" .

Same issues with yourself?

I didn't feel compelled to reply, I just replied. This is the first time I've been to the forum in weeks, if not 1-2 months.

Again, I apologize for seeming to lead everyone on. It was not my intention. I don't have any issues with myself.

Very hard to explain why I decided not to release my system massly.

I've have to go,..again, my deepest apologies , Good luck to everyone.

IT'S always the same, as it ever was, AND, ever will be.

R/S

Originally Posted by neverdie14

Hello all,


I deeply apologize for not releasing my system as promised. The reason I did not release it, I assumed would be obvious. I've had VERY bad experiences at casinos, when winning too much. The system/s I have work TOO well, and you will not be comfortable at the casinos using them. Sometimes you can go on streaks of almost never loosing. I make changes to my systems frequently as well.

Garnaby, why would I need to join a "private" forum, or what have you, or do any of that you stated in my now "closed" thread in order to show I am, or actually be serious about baccarat? Why do people always, always, make definitive statements such as "Anyone who is serious about etc. etc., will do etc. etc."...

How can ANYONE presume what anyone is thinking or feeling based on supposedly "popular" actions that are supposedly by "popular belief" done by those feeling or thinking certain things? With millions of variables and personality types in this world, it's ignorant to presume or assume anything. As I admit my own ignorance in assuming that it would be obvious why I did not release my system, so I am posting now.

Good luck everyone.

I take off my hat to you Neverdie14 for coming back and offering your apolosies like that and knowingly at the same time you'd be slaughtered from the all out here.

I guess for now, that their is hope that we will eventually get to see your system.

Originally Posted by joshky

I take off my hat to you Neverdie14 for coming back and offering your apolosies like that and knowingly at the same time you'd be slaughtered from the all out here.

I guess for now, that their is hope that we will eventually get to see your system.

I agree...most people would just not return

Originally Posted by John1234

But I am confused about one thing, if it does not work then why aren't you going to show us? I did not understand your first post.

John1234,

It's something one just learns with age, and a willingness to really learn and try new things... to be able to finish sentences given the first words.

Originally Posted by neverdie14

I deeply apologize for not releasing my system as promised. The reason I did not release it, I assumed would be obvious. I've had VERY bad experiences at casinos, when winning too much. The system/s I have work TOO well, and you will not be comfortable at the casinos using them. Sometimes you can go on streaks of almost never loosing. I make changes to my systems frequently as well.

John1234,

He didn't say it didn't work, he said it worked too good and we'd all be unhappy with it because we would be removed from the casinos!!

Gutsy statement, Mav!

AD

Hi guys, I just wanna share a story which happened to a very close friend of mine. I started playing baccarat only 5-6 months on a consistent basis and roughly about 3 months ago, i intro to my close friend and told him my "strategy". He took my systems of doubling 3x max to 9 times and was winnings consistently for 3 months and won $120,000.00

When he was winning he was riding high and wouldn't listen to my advise that his way of playing is too risky. In fact I did try out his "system" of doubling up 9 times and almost lost my pants. (read my intro) Just last week, he ran into 2 series of 11 losses and 10 losses and lost his patienance and started playing big to recoup faster and ended up a total lost of $300,000.00 in 2 days.

What I want to share is the moral of the story is, " The "system" can beat the casino in the short term but will eventually lose back whatever you've won because of the "human factor" " so I feel the only way to win are 2 keys 1) money management and 2) hit and run.

regards,

Ivan

Hi Folks, just thought I'd add my two cents worth here. I really don't know what Mr. NEVERDIE14 is waiting for? If he has something so good that shuts him out of ANY Casino it would seem to me that he would really want to UNLEASH all the info about his "Method" to exact some amount of revenge against the Casino's ... does that make any sense to you folks out there? Also, it's also a credibility issue, if he promised to share it, then he should ... yes? Or at least put a TEAM of player's together that can use his Methods against them.

But still, the bottom line seems to be that he said that he would release his method to the membership, if his intent was sincere, then I believe he should honor that commitment.

As in ANY Gaming Methodology, one has to set parameters for exiting any GAME or SHOE, that is the ONLY way you leave a winner, and I have been "Gambling since 1972!" so I do speak from a great deal of experience.

Originally Posted by ADulay

John1234,

He didn't say it didn't work, he said it worked too good and we'd all be unhappy with it because we would be removed from the casinos!!

Gutsy statement, Mav!

AD

Sometimes I would not mind being removed from the casinos. I have only been gambling for a year and I have seen a lot of bad stuff at the casinos, yet I always find myself returning, because part of me thinks that it is fun.

The casinos can be very depressing. People always seem to be losing, cheating, and some even resort to stealing. In AC if you walk along the board walk then you will be confronted with so many poor (as in having no money) people, who are begging for a dollar. Neverdie14, you know what I am talking about because you play in AC. Have you ever seen the man with no legs who sits outside of the Trump? it seems like he is always there.

When I first turned 21, my parents took me down to the casinos in September because I wanted to play poker. I remember walking along the board walk, seeing all of the poor people, then looking up at the large casinos. All I could think was, what the hell is going on here? We have people begging, practically in the streets, while a few people at the top ( the people who own and run the casinos) are accumulating all of the wealth. And how is this wealth being redistributed? As far as I am aware it is not redistributed. The rich seem to get richer and the poor stay poor.

Yea we have the opportunity to go into the casino and win some money, but that takes luck. The poor man on the AC board walk with no legs probably will not go into the casino and if he does, he will lose. The casino is more of a tax on the poor than anything else. So yet again, the rich get richer because they are taxing anybody who is playing a game.

From the moment that I went to AC, I knew that something was wrong. I am not sure if the casinos have helped improve that area at all because I am not old enough to know what it was like before the casinos. But what I do know is that the people who own the casinos are really making out while so many people, including all of us, are left attempting to make systems to fight for the crumbs. Even the dealers in Atlantic City are treated like crap. there is a good article somewhere on the internet about how the AC dealers are treated so some people at the top can making another 400 thousand dollars.

I would love to start taking some money back from the casinos. I think it would be great to walk into the casino and win a good deal of money and walk out the board walk to redistributed it to some people who need it, while also keeping some for myself. I would love to bring the casinos down a notch, so hopefully the people at the top have to think about cutting their pay. I would do this at the risk of being removed because casinos are not that great. There is nothing special about a place which I believe goes against the fundamental principles of a democratic society.

Neverdie14, if you system is truly good then it could be worth giving it out. yea some people may abuse it and experience some sort of a negative consequence but it will be worth it to try to set things right.

Release your system as promised. I'll gladly run the "risk" of being treated badly by the casino, assuming it works as well as you claim. I'm sure many others here would as well.

Neverdie no more talk just post your system and then we can discuss it otherwise don't post on here again

Originally Posted by BaccaratFann

" The "system" can beat the casino in the short term but will eventually lose back whatever you've won because of the "human factor"

Hi Ivan can you explain the "human factor" in more detail , cheers Dave

Well, if it works ... then just make a POST on how it works and let's all get on with our lives shall we? And if it works, then many folks will be eating "Crow" who have criticized you ... again, just POST it!

Originally Posted by neverdie14

Listen, I don't expect to be understood.

If I amused anyone, it was not my intention, but I realy meant to release the system massly.

It does work as I say.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

... to UNLEASH all the info about his "Method" to exact some amount of revenge against the Casino's ... does that make any sense to you folks out there.

GTG,

Very well put.

Why not try to help the others who may, or may not, have shared our own successes in life.

And for the die-hard gamblers, well, what better way to kick the habit than really beat it... to learn how to "not have to quit" something for once.



As for neverdie14,

Good luck, i don't see anything about you ever amounting to much else.

Originally Posted by joshky

I take off my hat to you Neverdie14 for coming back and offering your apolosies like that and knowingly at the same time you'd be slaughtered from the all out here.

I guess for now, that their is hope that we will eventually get to see your system.

Joshky, You should have thrown your hat into the corn field so NeverRide14 doesn't get burned on the face for staying in the corn field too long

Originally Posted by garnabby

John1234,

It's something one just learns with age, and a willingness to really learn and try new things... to be able to finish sentences given the first words.

Garnabby, excellent post as usual. Gave me a few chuckles. Nothing against you John1234 but sometimes young brother you are "too nice" to be a gambler. What i mean is that you have a "heart" and are too trusting. You care way too much to even question people. It will come with time brother don't take it personal.

Originally Posted by ADulay

John1234,

He didn't say it didn't work, he said it worked too good and we'd all be unhappy with it because we would be removed from the casinos!!

Gutsy statement, Mav!

AD

ADulay, nice sarcasm there, "We'll be unhappy winning too much money" as Never Ride14 implies. Oh no! we'll get banned from the casinos.

Originally Posted by thebaccaratkid

Hi Ivan can you explain the "human factor" in more detail , cheers Dave

thebaccaratkid, the "human factor" is called greed. Example: player is winning and doesn't stop so player doubles and triples up and goes on a losing streak so player eventually gets emotionally frustrated and chases those losses until player goes home with lint in their pockets and have their bank account examined the next day. Greed, my friend is the ultimate deal breaker. As Grab The Gold states, you have to have an exit strategy/plan before you even sit down at the table.

LordMuffdive--

Don't worry, I am not taking what you said personal. I do agree with you, however, I prefer to see the good in people rather than the bad. I would rather be open minded to people and what they have to say than being so closed. I am willing to give people multiple chances because we are all human and we all make mistakes. More importantly what is good for you may be bad for me, and that which is bad for me, may be good for you.

I have been successful in almost every thing that I have done by living like this. In sports I have been able to dominate people, i tend to have success in gambling, and I know that I will be successful when I get out of school, so I do not see any reason to change my views. However, I do see your point and I think it is a very good point to make. I am sure that I will run into hard times because of being too caring. But that is a fate that I am wiling to accept (unless my life is on the line).

If there is anything/anyone in life that I think we should not trust it is the GOVERNMENT.

Neverdie14

there is one more point that I did not have time to make. i had to go to a theology class when I was in the middle of my longer post.

I do not understand your logic about why it would be for all of us to have a working system. Here is the problem...I read your statement and all I can think is "what is bad?"

First, bad and good in this world are all subjective (if that is even the correct word to use). What is bad to you may be good to me, and what is good to me could be bad to you.

We cannot have bad without having good. Bad is only a result of the unfulfilled expectations of the good, and the expectations are dependent upon the individual person.
For example, if a lion kills a lamb for food then the lion is experiencing the good as a result of satisfying hunger, but the lamb is experiencing the bad. What is good to the lion is bad for the lamb. The lion must eat, it can't choose to eat oatmeal for the rest of its life. Since the lion must eat, a bad event must occur, thus the bad is a result of the good.

Bad will occur no matter what action you choose. You can't live a life attempting to avoid the bad, because all evil in this world is unavailable.

I personally, would love to see your system. But if you feel it truly is bad to release it, then would it be safe to say that it is bad for you to release it since no single human can make a judgement about all of society? and if you didn't mind releasing it in the first place, then it is not bad to release it, therefore it would make more sense to do what is good for you.
And if that doesn't make sense, what I am trying to say is, sharing it with us is dependent upon what is bad or good for you, not us. And this is simply because you cannot qualify all of us into one category.

Sorry for rambling, and the post is not an aggressive post or anything like that...I am just presenting an idea about why I do not understand your reasoning

John1234,

What else can i say brother. You should be in a "religious" forum. One that promotes tolerance and forgiveness instead of wasting your time with us real gamblers. Ever seen a poker game? What about a football game? and most importantly, the game of life. Who gets ahead? The people that are calculating, ruthless, and don't give a rat's ass OR the people scraping and fighting to get by and are losing their homes and jobs?

It's a different world out there then what's on your college campus. Been there, done that, over 14 years ago. What about what's going on with the economy? Who's getting your/Our money? Oh, it's the banks and mainly just a hand full of them. Who's getting a bail out? Oh, it's the careless corporations and Wall street risk takers, get my drift?

It's "nice" that you see the "good" in people but be prepared to stand your ground against any and all clowns. This clown, Never Lie#14, his brain is like a circus clown with a big red nose riding a bicycle in cirlces. He doesn't know where to go and i walk up , stop him, and pull the horns off his bicycle and honk at his face . That's him in a nut shell, Never Lie#14 is the clown that spit at you guys when he took you for a ride on his clown bike and turned and threw you off the clown bike now you're on the ground and he walks over and spits at you, waiting suckers huh huh huh huuuh, he says . To me he's nothing but an ass clown, a circus clown reject. Just for spitting at you guys he deserves to clean my toilet with his tongue.

P.M. me if you want to talk about other subjects.

Mike S.

Originally Posted by LordMuffdive

John1234,

What else can i say brother. You should be in a "religious" forum. One that promotes tolerance and forgiveness instead of wasting your time with us real gamblers. Ever seen a poker game? What about a football game? and most importantly, the game of life. Who gets ahead? The people that are calculating, ruthless, and don't give a rat's ass OR the people scraping and fighting to get by and are losing their homes and jobs?

It's a different world out there then what's on your college campus. Been there, done that, over 14 years ago. What about what's going on with the economy? Who's getting your/Our money? Oh, it's the banks and mainly just a hand full of them. Who's getting a bail out? Oh, it's the careless corporations and Wall street risk takers, get my drift?

It's "nice" that you see the "good" in people but be prepared to stand your ground against any and all clowns. This clown, Never Lie#14, his brain is like a circus clown with a big red nose riding a bicycle in cirlces. He doesn't know where to go and i walk up , stop him, and pull the horns off his bicycle and honk at his face . That's him in a nut shell, Never Lie#14 is the clown that spit at you guys when he took you for a ride on his clown bike and turned and threw you off the clown bike now you're on the ground and he walks over and spits at you, waiting suckers huh huh huh huuuh, he says . To me he's nothing but an ass clown, a circus clown reject. Just for spitting at you guys he deserves to clean my toilet with his tongue.

P.M. me if you want to talk about other subjects.

Mike S.

I would rather spend my time with gamblers than religious people. Some of those people are too crazy for me. But then again, a lot of gamblers are crazy too.

And yes I have seen a poker game and football game. I play hockey in college, and I know about getting ahead but my nature in sports is different then how I act in life. I have also had success in poker.

I agree with what you say about getting ahead.You are older and have experienced more than me, so you are wiser than me. And you are right about the banks and all of that. They bankers and the corporations are the ones who control the US, and that is because they are ruthless.

Even though we have two different opinions on neverdie14, I respect what you are saying to me.

Originally Posted by John1234

If there is anything/anyone in life that I think we should not trust it is the GOVERNMENT.

AMEN to that, brother.

AD

Just show us your system...and let US decide what to do with it.....please.

Originally Posted by tourist

Just show us your system...and let US decide what to do with it.....please.

tourist,

I think the "neverdie system" is more a type of than a specific system. His seems to revolve around triggers which indicate playing about 3 times a shoe. Perhaps he waits (and waits) for 2 or 3 specific sequences of P-B outcomes to "indicate" betting once or twice for the "repeat"; and then follows a gamblergrant-ish slow progression to recover losses, escalating it after a run of losses given a false sense of "variance".

From experience, it is possible to win for months of occasional play using such a system... but that only a few times in one's "career". So, and given he hasn't mentioned cheating, which one shouldn't ever pursue in a casino... either he's a neverhadasytem or grainofluckworthmorethanwholefieldofknowlegde. Because he's not a genius physicist with a 500 IQ and some "new" device, right?

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

As in ANY Gaming Methodology, one has to set parameters for exiting any GAME or SHOE, that is the ONLY way you leave a winner, and I have been "Gambling since 1972!" so I do speak from a great deal of experience.

That was a humorous thread about Neverdies dying method.

Anyway, I would like to take exception to the comment above. Of course it is important to play mistake free and with discipline in order to not deviate from a truly winning method. Other than that exit strategy means nothing - it just postpones the inevitable. With any winning method the more bets one can place per hour the better and the more money you can lay on the table (within risk of ruin parameters) the better. It's that simple. Stop loss, money management for it's own sake does NOT make a negative method into a positive one.

The reason I bother to mention this is because I believe this is one of the greatest myths contributing to gambling losses.

Archer