Thread: Commentary on "Strategies" with DEMOS provided

As I have NOT contributed much in the last 90 days I thought that I would share a few thoughts with the membership.

Many questions have been sent to me regarding "Systems", how to develop one, are there any "Systems" out there that work and so on. Let me say this; there are NO "Systems" that I know of that work 100% of the time; it's a matter of your or ANY "System" getting out of SYNC with the shoe, then it becomes a matter of whether your method can get you back into SYNC quickly, this comment is with regard to the "Playing" method. The "Playing" method is always the KEY to any good overall method (where to make your BANKER and Player bets). Once the playing method is refined, then you initiate a "Betting Strategy," one which gives you the flexibility to regain lost profits once your Playing Method gets out of Sync with the shoe, while not having to make huge bets to regain these profits, and two, the Betting Method allows you to enter a game without having to take the value of your home with you for a bankroll. Basically if you can enter a game with (25) units and never really place those units into jeopardy, you have achieved someting noteworthy.

What you need to realize is this; Baccarat is simply a series of never ending changes, thus, you construct a Playing method that tracks the changes; your method should be able to track these changes, stay with them, and CHANGE and POSITION quickly for upcoming eventualities within (3 - 5) hands. I know what you are thinking as you are reading this, "Yeah, NO KIDDING ... what's so new about that ... We've all been trying to find something which really works and does those things!" Well, having developed many methods over the years, I can truly say that say that after almost seven years now I have come up with three methods that I believe are very effective; sure they get out of SYNC, there is NO WAY around that, but they get you back quickly and with a profit while not making huge bets along the way. I've had these methods for quite awhile and have not released them to anyone except for folks who know how to really leverage them. I am attaching a few sample runs without showing the "Playing Strategy" in these runs (for obvious reasons), but you will clearly see how effective they can be, especially the one I am providing with this commentary. These shoes were actually played by me on the date indicated.

Remember, there are NO "Systems" that work 100% of the time, not even my methods, you can't program for CHAOS and RANDOMNESS! If you are looking for that, please STOP looking, focus on a Playing Method that is effective and develop a Betting Method that is SAFE and SANE, don't try to initiate a "BIG-BITE" betting scheme trying to recapture losses, that NEVER works, because you simply never know when the shoe is going to turn against you and that usually always happens just when you start making "Big" bets to recapture losses! What you should be looking for is a combined "Playing" and "Betting" Methods that work well together and that will yield you at least a 16% - 25% Return on your wagers while not having to place bets larger than (7-8) units in a NON-Martingale style. My methods will also yield a nice profit in a semi-flat betting scheme, the rules change when Flat Betting both in the "Playing" and "Betting", but for me, I am there to profit quickly and get out, thus, I have created some "Betting" strategies that I myself am comfortable with. which means there is a bit more risk involved than in Flat Betting or Semi-Flat Betting, after all, this is GAMBLING!

A couple of "Triggers" to curtail your play and signal that you are finished with the shoe; first, play only 60-65 NON-TIE Baccarat hands, the reason for this is simple, there are only around 78 - 83 Baccarat hands in a regular shoe anyway, now, if you count the potential TIE hands of around (9 - 15) hands, that leaves around (65) NON-TIE hands right? Thus, play to (60 - 65) Regular hands and if you are winning through that range, just play until you lose and STOP. Second, set a WIN goal, when you hit it ... leave no matter how many hands you still have yet to play, time to wait for another shoe! A good WIN Goal depends on your threshold of anxiety and the bankroll you started with, generally, when you WIN 40% of your starting bankroll if your bankroll was (25) units or less, you are done with that shoe, end of story.

I am not going to make outrageous claims, I just know from using my methods that they have provided me with much more than many of the so-called "Systems" on the Internet that guarantee (3 - 5) units per shoe; frankly, I am NOT going to a Casino to make (3 - 5) units, it's just NOT practical! I am simply saying that in the game of Baccarat use or develop a method that reduces the number of losses between wins to around 2.5 or lower, as an average across an entire shoe or cumulative shoes.

As always, I wish all of the membership on this Forum good fortune, and I hope the above will assist in providing some insight into playing "Strategically!" I will look forward to receiving some positive questions and comments from the membership.

Grab the Gold

(Please see the attached DEMONSTRATIONS in PDF)

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

The "Playing" method is always the KEY to any good overall method (where to make your BANKER and Player bets). Once the playing method is refined, then you initiate a "Betting Strategy," one which gives you the flexibility... .

Agreed, and good way to put it... long as the bet-selection isn't based on "casino orchestration", ha.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

Baccarat is simply a series of never ending changes, thus, you construct a Playing method that tracks the changes; your method should be able to track these changes, stay with them, and CHANGE and POSITION quickly for upcoming eventualities within (3 - 5) hands.

Okay, you're allowing for "never-ending changes"... at least accepting that from the outset.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

Remember, there are NO "Systems" that work 100% of the time, not even my methods, you can't program for CHAOS and ... .

Even a system which should "always" win over the long-run doesn't... we play in the finite, utilitarian world where some of us just can't play enough to guarantee a profit.

But at least in our forum, we can expect some honest feed-back on any of our systems.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

Methods that work well together and that will yield you at least a 16% - 25% Return on your wagers while not having to place bets larger than (7-8) units in a NON-Martingale style.

I try for a 2% edge over the house, or about 1 1/2 units over 70 non-tie outcomes.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

There is a bit more risk involved with reference to Flat Betting, after all, this is GAMBLING!

Which type of risk?

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

I am NOT going to a Casino to make 3 - 5 units, it's just NOT practical! I am simply saying that in the game of Baccarat use or develop a method that reduces the number of losses between wins to around 2.5 or lower, as an average across an entire shoe or cumulative shoes.

1 1/2 units?

thanks grab, i'm glad you decided to share your knowledge, when i first came here i read some of your messages, and i could tell you was a man who knew how to get things done. we're all here to learn, and i for one am looking forward to your teaching! i'm a hard working, willing student and i will do whatever it takes to master this game within my lifetime.

Originally Posted by garnabby

Agreed, and good way to put it... long as the bet-selection isn't based on "casino orchestration", ha.





Okay, you're allowing for "never-ending changes"... at least accepting that from the outset.





Even a system which should "always" win over the long-run doesn't... we play in the finite, utilitarian world where some of us just can't play enough to guarantee a profit.

But at least in our forum, we can expect some honest feed-back on any of our systems.





I try for a 2% edge over the house, or about 1 1/2 units over 70 non-tie outcomes.





Which type of risk?





1 1/2 units?

Garn dont forget if they wash the cards for one minute it will be streaky and if for 2 mins it will be choppy and if for three mins anything lol or was that the other way around if they orchestrated the cards here the casino would lose its licence to operate very much state controlled m and they still make big profits

For Garnabby'

The "Risk" which I referred to was that the risk in FLAT Betting or even Semi-Flat Betting is much less than the Betting Scheme I use ... that is what I meant in that sentence, I have since corrected that in the commentary I provided.

As for settling for 1.5 Units per (70) hands? Garnabby, you are shooting way too low. Using the DEMOS I provided, I could show you a Semi-Flat Betting Scheme with a "Three Straight Loss and OUT" Method that would probably yield three to four times that amount with the same risk you are taking now! I hate to see you spending 80-90 minutes at a table for 1.5 units in profits, that's just a bad use of your time ... don't you agree?

Grab the Gold

Hi there, thanks for the kind reply! I will be beginning a series of commentaries to assist the membership in understanding some of the nuances of this game that may not be readily apparent, and I will do so with actual DEMONSTRATIONS of shoes that I have played at a LIVE Casino in order to substantiate my viewpoints, thus, standby because there is more to see with your own eyes in the coming days! You won't get FLUFF and BS, you'll get actual RUNS with my comments included.

Originally Posted by takethe win

thanks grab, i'm glad you decided to share your knowledge, when i first came here i read some of your messages, and i could tell you was a man who knew how to get things done. we're all here to learn, and i for one am looking forward to your teaching! i'm a hard working, willing student and i will do whatever it takes to master this game within my lifetime.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

As for settling for 1.5 Units per (70) hands? Garnabby, you are shooting way too low. Using the DEMOS I provided, I could show you a Semi-Flat Betting Scheme with a "Three Straight Loss and OUT" Method that would probably yield three to four times that amount with the same risk you are taking now! I hate to see you spending 80-90 minutes at a table for 1.5 units in profits, that's just a bad use of your time ... don't you agree?

Actually, i'd settle for less... but just as long as you're not claiming to go from all losses to all wins, whereby a different and exact progression could be applied each time.

P.S. Good to see you back with some more results. I'll comment on the zips later today after i do some more catching up around here.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

As I have NOT contributed much in the last 90 days I thought that I would share a few thoughts with the membership.

Many questions have been sent to me regarding "Systems", how to develop one, are there any "Systems" out there that work and so on. Let me say this; there are NO "Systems" that I know of that work 100% of the time; it's a matter of your or ANY "System" getting out of SYNC with the shoe, then it becomes a matter of whether your method can get you back into SYNC quickly, this comment is with regard to the "Playing" method. The "Playing" method is always the KEY to any good overall method (where to make your BANKER and Player bets). Once the playing method is refined, then you initiate a "Betting Strategy," one which gives you the flexibility to regain lost profits once your Playing Method gets out of Sync with the shoe, while not having to make huge bets to regain these profits, and two, the Betting Method allows you to enter a game without having to take the value of your home with you for a bankroll. Basically if you can enter a game with (25) units and never really place those units into jeopardy, you have achieved someting noteworthy.

What you need to realize is this; Baccarat is simply a series of never ending changes, thus, you construct a Playing method that tracks the changes; your method should be able to track these changes, stay with them, and CHANGE and POSITION quickly for upcoming eventualities within (3 - 5) hands. I know what you are thinking as you are reading this, "Yeah, NO KIDDING ... what's so new about that ... We've all been trying to find something which really works and does those things!" Well, having developed many methods over the years, I can truly say that say that after almost seven years now I have come up with three methods that I believe are very effective; sure they get out of SYNC, there is NO WAY around that, but they get you back quickly and with a profit while not making huge bets along the way. I've had these methods for quite awhile and have not released them to anyone except for folks who know how to really leverage them. I am attaching a few sample runs without showing the "Playing Strategy" in these runs (for obvious reasons), but you will clearly see how effective they can be, especially the one I am providing with this commentary. These shoes were actually played by me on the date indicated.

Remember, there are NO "Systems" that work 100% of the time, not even my methods, you can't program for CHAOS and RANDOMNESS! If you are looking for that, please STOP looking, focus on a Playing Method that is effective and develop a Betting Method that is SAFE and SANE, don't try to initiate a "BIG-BITE" betting scheme trying to recapture losses, that NEVER works, because you simply never know when the shoe is going to turn against you and that usually always happens just when you start making "Big" bets to recapture losses! What you should be looking for is a combined "Playing" and "Betting" Methods that work well together and that will yield you at least a 16% - 25% Return on your wagers while not having to place bets larger than (7-8) units in a NON-Martingale style. My methods will also yield a nice profit in a semi-flat betting scheme, the rules change when Flat Betting both in the "Playing" and "Betting", but for me, I am there to profit quickly and get out, thus, I have created some "Betting" strategies that I myself am comfortable with. which means there is a bit more risk involved than in Flat Betting or Semi-Flat Betting, after all, this is GAMBLING!

A couple of "Triggers" to curtail your play and signal that you are finished with the shoe; first, play only 60-65 NON-TIE Baccarat hands, the reason for this is simple, there are only around 78 - 83 Baccarat hands in a regular shoe anyway, now, if you count the potential TIE hands of around (9 - 15) hands, that leaves around (65) NON-TIE hands right? Thus, play to (60 - 65) Regular hands and if you are winning through that range, just play until you lose and STOP. Second, set a WIN goal, when you hit it ... leave no matter how many hands you still have yet to play, time to wait for another shoe! A good WIN Goal depends on your threshold of anxiety and the bankroll you started with, generally, when you WIN 40% of your starting bankroll if your bankroll was (25) units or less, you are done with that shoe, end of story.

I am not going to make outrageous claims, I just know from using my methods that they have provided me with much more than many of the so-called "Systems" on the Internet that guarantee (3 - 5) units per shoe; frankly, I am NOT going to a Casino to make (3 - 5) units, it's just NOT practical! I am simply saying that in the game of Baccarat use or develop a method that reduces the number of losses between wins to around 2.5 or lower, as an average across an entire shoe or cumulative shoes.

As always, I wish all of the membership on this Forum good fortune, and I hope the above will assist in providing some insight into playing "Strategically!" I will look forward to receiving some positive questions and comments from the membership.

Grab the Gold

(Please see the attached DEMONSTRATIONS in PDF)

GTG i know all about getting out of sync with the shoe all bet selections will do that from time tme what to time what selection did you use for your examples

Regards Rodney

Frankly, the "Playing Strategy" as Indicated is very proprietary to me and I am not ready at this point to release or market it to anyone, thus please don't be offended. I have placed almost seven years of research into this analysis and if I were to release or sell this I would have to deal with hundreds of folks asking questions through Email, TEXT Messages, and the like; I'm just not ready for that kind of commitment. I have some "High Roller" Clients that have been using the method bundles along with some personal training I provide, this comes at a very high cost to them, but they can really afford it! They all play a minimum of $1,000.00 per hand up to $50,000.00 per hand, needless to say their winnings eclipse probably over 5 Million Dollars, but they never tell me how much exactly for obvious reasons; but they are all doing very well!

This all goes to the Philosopy "Would you rather sell 10 Bundles at $100 each or 100 bundles at $10 Dollars each?" The aggravation for the latter would be excrutiating and yet I would end up with the same margin of profit, needless to say I would rather sell 10 than 100 units.

And even if I gave it away for FREE with the promise of NO support, I would still get thousands of Emails, thus, just better to serve "High Roller" Clients and deal with very few issues, besides, with the four days of training they receive, the questions are very few and even fewer as time marches on and they become experienced using the tools I teach them.

Looks kind of interesting except for Demo 3 where it appears that you were one win away from going down 29 units in the first 7 plays and 44 units after only 9 plays!!

We've got to fix that one up a bit before it's sent out to the masses.

I'm not shooting your work down, just offering an honest view of how I saw it as demonstrated. I did actually look at all six files to get a rough idea of where you were coming from.

Keep up the good work.

AD

Hi, I think you didn't read the commentary completely, DEMO03 is a shoe I actually did play, and I played it exactly as shown in the DEMO, by Hand No. 51, I was completely fatiqued and STOPPED playing, the spreadheet is programmed to show losses after that when a PLAY is not made, thus they all look like losses after that. And if you don't know my PLAYING Strategy, which nobody does, then it would be difficult for you to determine what would have happened if I'd stayed to complete the shoe. My BET Selection Strategy is quite complex, but it does work very well. Anyway, to reiterate, those three DEMOS I posted are exactly how I played the shoe, be assured of that!

I appreciate your feedback!

GTG

Originally Posted by ADulay

Looks kind of interesting except for Demo 3 where it appears that you were one win away from going down 29 units in the first 7 plays and 44 units after only 9 plays!!

We've got to fix that one up a bit before it's sent out to the masses.

I'm not shooting your work down, just offering an honest view of how I saw it as demonstrated. I did actually look at all six files to get a rough idea of where you were coming from.

Keep up the good work.

AD

Originally Posted by garnabby

Actually, i'd settle for less... but just as long as you're not claiming to go from all losses to all wins, whereby a different and exact progression could be applied each time.

P.S. Good to see you back with some more results. I'll comment on the zips later today after i do some more catching up around here.

Grab the Gold,

Nice presentation. Look forward to more.

All i can ask for now, can you show us one of your losing shoes? (Together with some of your previous posts from a while back, some of us may then be able to form our own basic ideas of your bet-selection.) I suspect your system will eventually be for sale, and why not if it's taken you 6 years of hard work.

Certainly, thanks for your efforts here... i know how hard it can be, believe me. Some day some one will beat this game.

garnabby.

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

Hi, I think you didn't read the commentary completely, DEMO03 is a shoe I actually did play, and I played it exactly as shown in the DEMO, by Hand No. 51, I was completely fatiqued and STOPPED playing
GTG

I do realize, and can see when the computer/player stopped the hand. I had just mentioned that at play #10 (6th actual hand) you were already down -16. I'm thinking those $10,000 players will not be thrilled about that point in the shoe.

With that said, it does look promising for sure. Here's hoping it really does produce for you in the near future.

AD (tweaking as we type for tomorrow's live casino session)

Actually that's NOT a bad observation, however, these "High Roller" players come to the tables with a 1 million Dollar line of credit PLUS ... and are ready to go into action, losing 160,000 in just a few plays is nothing to them, trust me on this, I've been there with them. My methods usually put them on top quickly so they really don't worry too much. Heck, some of these guys play my Methods better than I do, and I developed them! Anyway, one would assume that if they've had 4 days of hands-on training in the Suite and on the Tables in the Main Casino with me, they all made sure they knew what they were doing way before they started betting their normal amounts. In my personallized training I never allow them a higher unit size than $100, I place their focus on the training NOT the money!

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

I place their focus on the training NOT the money!

That simple sentence is probably one of the most important things any player reading these boards should realize. If you're running any kind of system, learn it cold. 100% correct play. Zero mistakes.

Have some idea of what to do in order to correct any mistakes and then move on in the game with whatever corrections were needed "on the fly" so to speak. We've all seen the guy who's writing on his card and then misses several plays because of multiple corrections or additions.

Anyway, I just wanted to comment that training and practice is VERY important when running any system. Glad you brought it up.

AD

I like the way you said "not having to place bets larger than (7-8) units in a NON-Martingale style", 10,25,50,75, whats next 100, 150,250,400 ?, Did you know Martingale wasn't a man like most assume ?

I guess you misunderstood and didn't read the other POSTS I placed up here, but that's okay. Here's the deal for me; I've created several methods that will for almost 92% of the time get me a WIN with (4) hands, and because I am confident of this I use 10-10-25-50-75 and NEVER go past that. Now then, if I do lose all (5) wagers, then I keep playing my BET SELECTION METHOD looking for a WIN before I RESTART at the next level of betting, making my beginning UNIT size either 15 or 20, thus we would bet a sequence like this 20-20-45-90-135 and stay at that level until we've cleaned-up all the losses from the previous series, once that has been accomplished we are back to 10-10-25-50-75. The KEY here is the BET SELECTION Method, NOT the wagers ONLY, they both have to work in concert with each other. It's just a matter of waiting until your PLAYING METHOD gets back into SYNC with the shoe itself.

Hope that assists in explaining my theory. Additionally, please note, that I use this method for myself because I like to RECOVER my losses quickly, I did provide some DEMOS on previous POSTS that show a less evasive betting methodology that folks can use that are leary of getting their bets too high too quickly and still show a nice profit at the end. Using the above method of betting I average between 14 and 25 units per shoe while tracking my RETURN ON WAGERS (R.O.W.) as I progress through a shoe; if I begin to decline in R.O.W. after Hand No. 40 and go below 15% R.O.W. I will usually get out while still having maintained my desired RETURN, and that will usually give me at least 10-14 units of profit before I go off the table and wait for the next shoe. I designed a special tracking card that easily tracks all of this for me, the card itself provides me with all the neccessary "Triggers" I need to tell me where I am in the shoe.

Again, the PLAYING Methdology is the REAL KEY here, once you are comfortable with how well it works, making larger bets becomes easier for you to mentally make.

Allow me to make one additional thought very clear; most gambler's (including myself) have at one point or another tried to "CHASE" their losses, which we all know, if you are now a seasoned player, is NEVER a good idea! This is why I developed the betting method that gets you OUT of a losing streak after five losses ... PERIOD! Every "OUT OF SYNC" streak will eventually come to an end, and this is the time to RESTART (IF) you have a very good BET SELECTION Method! Again, this is "KEY!" As I stated before in earlier POSTS, there is NO MECHANICAL METHOD out there that will overcome EVERY SHOE ... "It's just NOT out there!" The best anyone can do is develop a method that gets you back in SYNC quickly (meaning you are generating WINS every three hands or so) along with a betting method that assists in recovering any losses reasonably fast. If you place your focus on that, then you are certainly "Light Years" ahead in being continually successful playing Baccarat. And my friends, that is the BEST ADVICE I can offer the membership!

As always, I wish you all good fortune at the tables!

Grab the Gold

Very good thread. Thanks for the time and that input. Nice formats in .pdf. I also agree 100% concerning coordinating bet placement and progression style. Apparently your progression initially involves 17 units at risk over five hands. Certainly not over the top. You can probably lose that once in a shoe and still come out in the plus column. That is not even counting your recovery prog which adds more risk. But, your bet placements give you enough confidence that you are unlikely to hit that once more in the shoe but it will happen once in awhile.

I still believe that stop losses/wins are more psychological than mathematical and for that reason they have thier place. But we may disagree on that point.

As regards to units won per shoe. This really depends on the betting method and number of hands bet. Flat betting or semi-flat betting will naturally yield far less than deep progressions. It's all relative to unit size and bankroll size. For instance, I believe you mentioned that you could easily win 1 unit a shoe or more within 4 hands or something to that effect. I have to assume a very high shoe win rate % to make playing only a few hands worthwhile. Sounds like an easy way to bet using large units, right?

Archer

Hmmm, Not sure what you meant at the end of your comment, however, my commentary was based on WAITING 3-4 hands BEFORE going into action and then playing every hand until either my Method tells me to WAIT before jumping back in because I lost a complete betting series, or, I've hit my goal for the shoe (always good to set a WIN Goal!), or my R.O.W. Trigger hit and I have to leave with my 14% minimum R.O.W. guaranteeing me a winning shoe, or I've hit two back to back losing levels (which hasn't happened yet), thus, with all those parameters it's tough to come out a loser on a shoe, and it hasn't happened yet, but theoretically, if all the planets are in alignment, it could very well happen, but the mathematical permutations on that occurring are indeed staggering ... but after seven years of study, programming, analysis, I have designed my methods based not just on math, but other variables as well; let's just say it's a COMPOSITE of the Math, the Planets, the Bankroll, how long the cards have been in play, many factors!

But just to set the record straight, for ME, I always come to a shoe with 50 Units of what I am playing, because I take more risks than most, but if you are using my playing methods with the conservative betting method that I outlined earlier in one of my POSTS, then you really only need 25-30 units and you'll never need more than that to secure a win at the table.

Originally Posted by Archer

Very good thread. Thanks for the time and that input. Nice formats in .pdf. I also agree 100% concerning coordinating bet placement and progression style. Apparently your progression initially involves 17 units at risk over five hands. Certainly not over the top. You can probably lose that once in a shoe and still come out in the plus column. That is not even counting your recovery prog which adds more risk. But, your bet placements give you enough confidence that you are unlikely to hit that once more in the shoe but it will happen once in awhile.

I still believe that stop losses/wins are more psychological than mathematical and for that reason they have thier place. But we may disagree on that point.

As regards to units won per shoe. This really depends on the betting method and number of hands bet. Flat betting or semi-flat betting will naturally yield far less than deep progressions. It's all relative to unit size and bankroll size. For instance, I believe you mentioned that you could easily win 1 unit a shoe or more within 4 hands or something to that effect. I have to assume a very high shoe win rate % to make playing only a few hands worthwhile. Sounds like an easy way to bet using large units, right?

Archer

Sorry I misunderstood about the shoe beginning. Never mind.

However, when you say "thus, with all those parameters it's tough to come out a loser on a shoe, and it hasn't happened yet" are you meaning that you have never lost a shoe?

Archer

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

Hmmm, Not sure what you meant at the end of your comment, however, my commentary was based on WAITING 3-4 hands BEFORE going into action and then playing every hand until either my Method tells me to WAIT before jumping back in because I lost a complete betting series, or, I've hit my goal for the shoe (always good to set a WIN Goal!), or my R.O.W. Trigger hit and I have to leave with my 14% minimum R.O.W. guaranteeing me a winning shoe, or I've hit two back to back losing levels (which hasn't happened yet), thus, with all those parameters it's tough to come out a loser on a shoe, and it hasn't happened yet, but theoretically, if all the planets are in alignment, it could very well happen, but the mathematical permutations on that occurring are indeed staggering ... but after seven years of study, programming, analysis, I have designed my methods based not just on math, but other variables as well; let's just say it's a COMPOSITE of the Math, the Planets, the Bankroll, how long the cards have been in play, many factors!

But just to set the record straight, for ME, I always come to a shoe with 50 Units of what I am playing, because I take more risks than most, but if you are using my playing methods with the conservative betting method that I outlined earlier in one of my POSTS, then you really only need 25-30 units and you'll never need more than that to secure a win at the table.

Yes, of course, I have lost some shoes, mostly due to my own tabulation errors on my scorecard, or having been distracted at the table by a waitress or another player, but never have I lost because I lost two levels of betting while having kept score of the game perfectly without any distractions. I win mostly by either having hit my GOAL for the Shoe, OR, having hit my R.O.W. trigger to get out. But I keep close tabs on all my "Triggers" when I play. For example, let's say I lost my first series of (5) Plays/Bets and I am waiting for WIN to re-enter the game, a waitress drops off a drink I am scrambling to mark down the outcome of play that just occurred while she was there, I mark "P" instead of "B" and missed the marking the WIN for re-entry, instead I marked a LOSS, that type of thing. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen, which in turn may cause me to lose a few units at the end of shoe because I couldn't restart in time. Additionally, Casino Floorpersons often try and distract me, some are successful, most aren't.

Originally Posted by Archer

Sorry I misunderstood about the shoe beginning. Never mind.

However, when you say "thus, with all those parameters it's tough to come out a loser on a shoe, and it hasn't happened yet" are you meaning that you have never lost a shoe?

Archer

Lol

Originally Posted by grab the gold

yes, of course, i have lost some shoes, mostly due to my own tabulation errors on my scorecard, or having been distracted at the table by a waitress or another player, but never have i lost because i lost two levels of betting while having kept score of the game perfectly without any distractions. I win mostly by either having hit my goal for the shoe, or, having hit my r.o.w. Trigger to get out. But i keep close tabs on all my "triggers" when i play. For example, let's say i lost my first series of (5) plays/bets and i am waiting for win to re-enter the game, a waitress drops off a drink i am scrambling to mark down the outcome of play that just occurred while she was there, i mark "p" instead of "b" and missed the marking the win for re-entry, instead i marked a loss, that type of thing. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen, which in turn may cause me to lose a few units at the end of shoe because i couldn't restart in time. Additionally, casino floorpersons often try and distract me, some are successful, most aren't.