Thread: Baccarat Flat Betting Strategy...well almost

Hey all, came across another strategy, where the author ( actually the creator of the website ) said using this betting strategy allowed him and his partner to win 40 shoes in a row, in 5 different casinos!!!

Skeptical?

I was to until...

I tried it out on several free baccarat plays online, and won!!

I tried it out on a couple baccarat software programs, and won!!

Went to the casino, with a VERY modest bankroll, and won!!

Here it is:

You bet 1 unit that 1's don't become 2's
If it does repeat
You bet 2 units that 2's don't become 3's
If it does repeat again
You bet 1 unit that 3 becomes 4, win and leave one unit for the duration of the streak. Lose and start your betting over from one unit. The next time a streak goes to 3, be sure to bet 2 units that 3 becomes 4, and continues to streak or run.

That's it, very simple!

Oh, might want to stop around 8 units up....I don't know why, but I like to quit when I'm ahead. You're gonna be up 50% of the time and down 50% of the time!!

Good luck all, hope this helps and/or spur some better ideas!!

i used to play mechanical like that and that strategy works well on choppy shoes.

question..so the second round where you are supposed to bet 2 units that 3 goes to 4..do you continue to leave 2 units for duration of streak?

question 2..what do you bet for the next time you are supposed to bet 3 goes to 4?

If you are betting 2 units that 3 will go to 4 and you lose, how many units do you bet next time that situation comes up again?

hey pitboss, i tried your system, played 488 hands at the 5.00 unit, here's the statistics, won, $222.00, total money bet was 2760.00, win % was 8%

i started this out thinking what a waste of time, i was down 22 units in the first half of the first shoe, ended that shoe down 11 units, 2nd was a loser , third shoe was about break even, but the 4th and 5th shoe was unbelievable, just a tremendous win streak, almost nothin' but 1's and 2's... i don't think you can expect that much of a win streak very often, but i'm gonna test it some more and i'll report back, don't expect too much tomorrow as i have a full schedule, maybe the next day and i'll have another 500 hands...this system is a little like the dragon ' i've been testing except for it's a 1-2 bet instead of a 1-1-3, and with the dragon you back off the streaks, where here you get on the streak after 3

i sure could use some people to help me test this stuff, anyone willing?

Originally Posted by takethe win

hey pitboss, i tried your system, played 488 hands at the 5.00 unit, here's the statistics, won, $222.00, total money bet was 2760.00, win % was 8%

i started this out thinking what a waste of time, i was down 22 units in the first half of the first shoe, ended that shoe down 11 units, 2nd was a loser , third shoe was about break even, but the 4th and 5th shoe was unbelievable, just a tremendous win streak, almost nothin' but 1's and 2's... i don't think you can expect that much of a win streak very often, but i'm gonna test it some more and i'll report back, don't expect too much tomorrow as i have a full schedule, maybe the next day and i'll have another 500 hands...this system is a little like the dragon ' i've been testing except for it's a 1-2 bet instead of a 1-1-3, and with the dragon you back off the streaks, where here you get on the streak after 3

i sure could use some people to help me test this stuff, anyone willing?

I tested this i was up like 86 units after 9 shoes then lost like 40 units over the next 4 shoes

Originally Posted by dennisbelle

If you are betting 2 units that 3 will go to 4 and you lose, how many units do you bet next time that situation comes up again?

I'm only guessing dennisbelle - to try to help you get a quick reply - but I would ASSUME that since the 1/2 is used for the "chop" portion of the betting, that 1/2 would be used for the "streak" portion.

Meaning you bet the one unit for 3 to continue to 4 - if you win, you take your win and leave your 1 unit bet down.

If you lose your first one unit bet for 3 to continue to 4, you next bet 2 units that 3 will continue to 4 when the opportunity arises.

I'm also guessing that after you win - if you win - the bet that 3 units becomes 4, you take back your 1 unit and leave one "for the duration" MUST mean that you leave ONLY 1 unit that the streak will continue. Which means that you "leave" one unit - not THE one unit - out. This is a little ambibuous because if you leave that one unit, you would technically be indefinitely parlaying the one unit. So, you would be BETTING ONE UNIT on the streak each hand until you lose.

Same for the 2-unit situation when/if it comes to that; after losing your initial 3-will-continue-to-4 streak bet of 1 unit. Bet 2 units that 3 will continue to 4. If you lose, you go back to 1 unit the next time a 3 streak appears. If you bet 2 units and win, take your win, bet 2 units that 4 will become 5. If you win, take your 2 unit win. Bet 2 units that 5 will become 6 - and so on. Once you lose, you go back to betting that 1-unit that 1 P or B will NOT become 2 and if it does, you bet 2 units that the repeat will not continue. If it does, you would thus bet 1-unit that the 3 units WILL become 4 units.

I am only trying to help understand the instructions. I have no idea if this works over the long run or not.

Scott no new info on ur method

here's another 6 shoes, 485 hands, lost 145.25. turnover, 2730.00

i was up 21 units the first 3 shoes then it turned on me and i never was able to recover...in the 4th shoe there was 11, 3's or more and in the 5th there was 13 3's or more (by 3 or more, i mean 3, 4, 5 etc. B or P in a row) ...does anybody know statistically how many 3 or more is supposed to happen in a 8 deck shoe? the other thing that surprised me is how volatile this system is for a 1-2 bet...might try it 1 more time. i like to experiment with mechanical systems as they do provide some insight if you're into determining patterns.

Originally Posted by takethe win

...does anybody know statistically how many 3 or more is supposed to happen in a 8 deck shoe?

Yes, you can expect that with burned cards taken out and not including ties that you will have over 60 decisions of Ps and Bs from an 8 deck shoe.

This is taking an average of 5 cards per decision - sometimes 4, sometimes 5, at most 6. We have 416 cards in 8 decks - let's say we burn 16, we now have 400 cards. At 5 per decision that makes 80 decisions. Take away ties - around 10 - and we have 70 decisions. I usually use 63 decisions to be well within the unlikely minimum.

There is a 1/8 chance of seeing PPP. There is also a 1/8 of seeing BBB. There is a 1/8 chance of seeing PBP - and so on.

This is where it gets a little "tricky."

How many THREE streaks do you see here: PPPPP

I see 3 - three streaks! OR 1 5 streak.

There are 78 different 3-streaks in a shoe of 80 decisions. You do NOT divide 80 by 3, because this is wrong.

So, with 78 3-streaks, you have a 1/8 chance of each type of 3-decision occuring within each of these 78. There are 8 ways a 3 streak can occur. We have been over this - but here it is again:

PPP
PPB
PBP
BPP
BBB
BBP
BPB
PBB

So to answer your question you can expect upwards of 10 of each of these PER SHOE OF 80 decisions.

That means it would not be unusual to see 10 PPP decisions in a shoe AND 10 BBB decisions. Remember this includes PPPPPPPP which actually contains 6 sets of 3-PPP decisions - OR 1-8streak.

It is thus not unusual to see PPP many times as well as BBB many times in a shoe.

Unfortunately - we don't see exactly 10 or so of EACH of the 8 possible 3-streaks in EVERY shoe.

You might see 20 PPP streaks and 3 BBB streaks and a bunch of PBP streaks and a bunch of BPB streaks and so on....

This is part of the reason I like to split the decisions into SETS of 3. Not a continuing running group of decisions.

By this I mean that if I see
PPP
I would perhaps expect that another P COULD occur - but I would be less likely to see EXACTLY PPP after it.

PPP PPP
This is somewhat different than
PPPPPP
The first set has two distinct SETS of 3 each.
The second has 4 sets of 3.

Look at this:

BPPPPBPPPPPB
and this:
BPP PPB PPP PPB
B PPPP B PPPPP B
In the first GROUPING of 3 per set, we are betting against a PPP occurring and it happened once.
The second one, there are PPPP and PPPPP
The one way - grouping sets - I am less likely to see a PPP in a SPECIFIC spot. Whereas running decisions together, we come across several PPP decisions.

This may be a little confusing, but I like to look at SETS rather than a running group because of the GROUPING OF DECISIONS in a SPECIFIC location is less likely than just a GROUP of decisions.

EIRESCOTT,

Excellent work.


R/S

Thank you

hey pitboss i was using your system but the way you described it at first was wait for two pp or two bb then bet one units two will not go to three. bet two units that three will not go to four. when it goes to four bet one unit it will go to five and continue one units till the streak ends. i have had much better reuslts waiting for the 2 ps or 2 bs. using a 5unit win and 10unit loss i have never lost a shoe yet. thanks richard. pls. reply if you can.

May i ask if anyone has or has tested the untimate system for even money bets. i have read the literature on it and it looks good but of course you can not test it without buying it. has anyone here ever used it. thanks richard

This sounds a lot like Ellis's System 40. The key is to find the "culprit" or the least occuring event, in this thread's case, 3's going to 4's. If you can figure out when to bet 3's won't become 4's or 4's won't become 5's (or even 2's will not become 3's) you can win a lot of money. Something about streaky and choppy.

Thanks for your input and i guess i will i not waste any money unless he lets me test it myself. but thanks for your help. richard

oH, FLATE

SIMPLE AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND!

I am just wondering, what happened to pitboss?.... come back, let us know how you are doing....