Thread: Random Number generator

Hello,

I am wondering if you know more about this topic then me. As all online casinos using this software, and the random number generator was written by human. I am thinking if someone would be able programming an extension for the software, which is asking for the first hundred results of the game, and after entering to an extension of the software would that be able to synchronyze with real casino bacarrat. I know that this would kill the pleasure of the game, and would be simple that you know for sure that the next hand is player winning, but would give a financial freedom....

To be honest I am planning to do this for a living. I know many people who are living from playing roulette, but I found this game more simple and entertaining than that...

So do you think it is possible to modificate the random number generator software?

Bambura

Bambura,

Unless someone shows evidence to the contrary, it's just my observation and intuitive conclusion that casino shuffler machines produce the same sorts of outcomes as do random-number generators.

That being the case, could such on-line sequences be "picked up on" by some sort of computer program, especially in the short-term, then the same program, more specifically then an algorithm, could be used for live-casino outcomes.

(I don't use on-line play but Katweezel's Betfair article was interesting. Still, i, myself, would not play on-line because of the known cheating, cash-out, bonus-collection "fine print", interruptions, etc, problems. Anyway, bringing something else "into the home" is never a good idea... have to "use" the casino's facilities; not the other way around. Here's a COMMON anecdote from an other forum about one form of misrepresentation: Proofreaders2000April 28, 2009, 2:13pm Quote Report to ModeratorJunior Member

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I'm sooo sick of RNG Blackjack. You win all the time (fun money), then you hardly win at all with real money. I wished there was a place for U.S. Players that offered "Live" Blackjack games. I want to see human hands dealing cards, win or lose
LoggedOffline Private message . Regarding comps, which are offered anyways: if you can't beat them at their games, that's not going to be any easier. (Eg, re-arranging/-packaging those "deals" changes nothing.)

Getting back to your question, maybe some internet searches would turn up some programs for that purpose already on the market? Asfaras a simplified algorithm for live-play purposes, try some 'regression' mathematics to find the more-basic patterns in say the last 10 games (for fun unless you find yourself onto something). Maths Calculator - Regression - Calculation, calculate regression, Simple/Linear Regression is a link to a linear-regression tool. If you have the time, further look for a good free 'general regression' calculator off the internet, and try it out. (Of course you'll have to figure out how to translate the P-B, game-#, etc, information to the (x,y) data. The simplest way would be to have y = P - B; and x = n (, for the nth game.))

Originally Posted by Bambura

As all online casinos using this software, and the random number generator was written by human. I am thinking if someone would be able programming an extension for the software, which is asking for the first hundred results of the game, and after entering to an extension of the software would that be able to synchronyze with real casino bacarrat.

This approach will not work for online games because there are multiple users drawing from the same RNG. Even if you knew the next 100 outcomes you wouldn’t know which one would be used in the game you are playing. It is very possible that you wouldn’t get any of them.

For live baccarat the shuffling machines sometimes use more than one randomizing process (depending on the model) so it would be virtually impossible to crack them all and determine their intersection at any given point in time. I’m not saying that the machines cannot be beaten. In fact several of the earlier models were beaten quite badly when they first appeared. I’m only saying that the RNG is not the key to success in either live or online games.

Originally Posted by Savant

This approach will not work for online games because there are multiple users drawing from the same RNG. Even if you knew the next 100 outcomes you wouldn’t know which one would be used in the game you are playing. It is very possible that you wouldn’t get any of them.

For live baccarat the shuffling machines sometimes use more than one randomizing process (depending on the model) so it would be virtually impossible to crack them all and determine their intersection at any given point in time. I’m not saying that the machines cannot be beaten. In fact several of the earlier models were beaten quite badly when they first appeared. I’m only saying that the RNG is not the key to success in either live or online games.

Very nicely put, Savant. You shattered his illusion very well indeed. I think you have a talent for unmasking and exposing delusions. How about this one of mine: I believe I can win at baccarat, blackjack, craps and roulette, consistently, long term.

Your final sentence seems to be alluding to the possibility that you may indeed hold that key you mention. Perhaps we can start discussing this possibility, after you go on record as agreeing 100% with my postulate.

Originally Posted by Katweezel

I believe I can win at baccarat, blackjack, craps and roulette, consistently, long term.

I would be hesitant to use the word 'consistently' since most opportunities are intermittent, but for the most part I agree with that statement. Those are just a few of the games that can be legitimately beaten. Technically any casino game can offer the player an advantage. The problem is that most casinos have procedures in place to limit those opportunities. If you start to think about why the casinos follow those procedures you will start to see the possibilities. When you find a casino that doesn’t follow one of those procedures you will be ready to make some serious money. You will probably not find an advantage in any particular game consistently but if you know how to play many games then you will find opportunities more consistently.

Originally Posted by Savant

I would be hesitant to use the word 'consistently' since most opportunities are intermittent, but for the most part I agree with that statement. Those are just a few of the games that can be legitimately beaten. Technically any casino game can offer the player an advantage. The problem is that most casinos have procedures in place to limit those opportunities. If you start to think about why the casinos follow those procedures you will start to see the possibilities. When you find a casino that doesn’t follow one of those procedures you will be ready to make some serious money. You will probably not find an advantage in any particular game consistently but if you know how to play many games then you will find opportunities more consistently.

Yeah, like Pai Gow, where 'our' team has the whole table and so the whereabouts of the joker is always known. Collusion is hard to prove. Well, you did not shatter my half-tongue-in-cheek mantra about those games, with your measured answer. When I say half, I can say I can do OK at Blackjack, someone passed on a roulette system that actually shows a profit - particularly on a single 0 wheel - but you need to bet on about 25 single numbers each spin and record a lot of detail, but it works, most (but not all) of the time. Enough to make an advantage.

Craps is not really in the Australian gambling heritage and I do not really understand the betting subtleties just yet. However, I have a US buddy who lives near AC and he is a dice controller who has had 30 - 40-minute hands and is well ahead with his practices. He has promised to show me how to bet properly. I will never make the grade as a dice controller. I know this. I just want to learn how to bet efficiently on the likes of him. I liked reading about the woman at the Borgata AC who just a few days ago broke the world craps record. She threw 154 times, over more than 4 hours, before she crapped out. It was the second time in her life she had thrown dice!

Which brings me to baccarat. I believe this game can be beaten too, like all the others. Whales make baccarat their game of choice. Why? It's obvious ain't it? Because it can be beaten, despite the house edge. (But only by those who have paid their dues in terms of knowledge, experience, awareness, patience, persistence, determination and motivation over time.) I would imagine there are few get-rich-quick-from-baccarat whales about. And I think the record for loss in a session is $20M. What other game can a whale bet say, $1M on one hand? Now, I need to evolve my current basic 'system' of patiently waiting for a repeating pattern and betting several consecutive hands in line with the pattern. Sometimes, that works great! Unfortunately, sometimes it doesn't... Such is casino life.