Well now that it seems the system-sellers have found us, and began their pitches in earnest (, a sure sign of a growing forum,) perhaps it's time for a thread specifically devoted to them. Since we already have a quack-meter to describe the persons behind those systems, it only follows we learn more about the "hooks" employed to "reel" us in.

Here's some "testimonials" to start us off. If you come across a "good" one, please take the time to copy and paste it here.

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Example #1.

Here's a thread from the GG from a year and a half back about what happened when one person's little system turned out to be a bit of a hoax. The system was presented in its entirety for free... but note the ensuing mania, over 140 replies!

(minnesota dave system)
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/tzsearch.cgi?board=_master&query=minnesota+dave&fo rumlist=Baccarat_Message_Board&action=search




Example #2.

On the site http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/thread/It-039-s-Incredible-an-Amazing-Zero-Sum-System--6381.htm
is the following likely-"planted" endorsement:

It's Incredible! an Amazing Zero-Sum System! Message was posted: 01:12 Nov 1st, 2006
User: peterlee15
Rank:
Casino Gold: 130CG
Contributor rating: 80
Status: Offline
Hi, My name is Peter a long time resident of LA, Ca. I am also a gambling afficionado. Once in a while you come across with a generous person that shares his secrets and unique knowledge. Let me tell you about what discovered lately. It's stunning! it's spreading like a wild fire in Florida senior communities. My retired brother John, from Miami, Fl. came across a small ad in seniors' bulletin. It's about a gaming system on Baccarat and Craps. The website is Home (Lets Deal or No Deal) After 3 weeks, I am ahead by $17K! John had already saved $47K after 2 months. It's unbelievable but true. John emailed the inventor and was told that he will pull out his website pretty soon and take a break. He says.. "can't handle the coming orders, but don't worry I'll be back again next year and spread the good news to those who will listen" Get there ASAP and don't miss the boat. Believe me, you'll thank me for this surprising news. it's gonna be a rich wonderful Christmas of 2006!
Peter


At Home, the bet-selection system is free but, alas, not the "necessary" money-management for $250. (Give me a working system, and i'll figure out how to management it on my own. Anyway, what's "zero-sum" to do with winning money?)




Example #3.

The GG has a sub-forum exclusively for system-sellers. Here's a comical example of someone trying to sell his roulette system amidst an ever-growing backlash, culminating with someone "getting a hold of it", and just posting it there. (The thing about this one is the guy just never gave up. And i think it's still going on over there from one thread to the next.)

It's at Gambler's Glen Message Boards : Gambling Systems For Sale : ONLY WORKING ROULETTE SYSTEM I'VE EVER SEEN (price reduced to $499) .





Example #4.

Who would go into such flowery details other than the designer?

05-16-2009, 04:41 AM
BetOnBlack
Low Roller
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Porterville California
Posts: 2



Chaos Theory Betting System For Roulette
I know this sounds like a weird way to bet with Roulette or any other game for that matter, but I swear it works. I read about this system and started laughing, thinking, "You've got to be kidding me." Then I tried it. I won a few hundred bucks, so there's something to this system. It's now one of my favorite betting systems to use.

This one is based on Chaos Theory. It's kind of strange but did you know that when it starts to rain, the raindrops tend to hit the same spots in a particular pattern. Most people think that when it starts raining, the raindrops just go all over the place. The rain eventually branches out and does go everywhere but not at first.

In roulette the same thing happens. When you're playing online roulette, when the game first starts, the numbers, while they seem random, actually repeat in a pattern. Eventually the pattern disperses and this doesn't work as well the longer you play. So, at the begining of a game, bet 1 chip on red and 1 on black. After the first number comes up, put a chip on it. Then place a chip on the second number that comes up, and so on. Do this for the first 7numbers that come up. You want to bet on those numbers until they win twice. Then pull those chips off the table. Look at the board and bet on the last 7 numbers that came up. Bet on these numbers until they win once. You can do this a third time but I wouldn't go farther than that. Remember, the pattern starts to disperse eventually, so don't keep doing this indefinately.

Chaos Theory in Roulette may sound strange, but it's an insane game with an infinate number of insane betting systems, so in the end, it ends up being logical.
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Example #5.

Here's a recent one at Diabolika - pro roulette system - www.RouletteForum.net Roulette System Forum .





Example #6.

Already posted, but for those who missed it take a look at Suzanne Smith's (of BTC) little insertions into the Gambling Chit Chat, and GG forums. (That was the name of the person who answered my reply).

03-08-2009, 04:24 AM
iwinbaccarat
Low Roller
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1



Anyone hear of this?
http://www.beatthecasino.com/bb/bacc...ng-u2hisa.html

Apparently, these ppl play in vegas and every member there won. Has anyone tried this method? I'm always open to suggestions!

Thanks.




iwinbaccaratPosted: 07-Mar-09 17:39 Edit Mail Profile Does anyone here have any experience with site/system? Apparently, they are offering a free system that will win enough to join the private forum.. if this stuff really works, I'd just as soon go right to the big stuff in the private area. Any input from people here?

http://www.beatthecasino.com/bb/baccarat/5221-using-u2hisa.html

iwinbaccaratPosted: 12-Mar-09 17:38Delete Edit Mail Profile I posted in another thread a few days ago asking if anyone had heard of this system: http://www.beatthecasino.com/bb/baccarat/5221-using-u2hisa.html
This board not only bashed it, but went off topic so much it was like following a group of members from the Adult Attention Deficit Disorder Support Group. That spoke volumes for the weight I gave the opinions voiced here...
After a few days of mulling it over, I purchased the Lifetime Membership, and I'm so glad I did. I can't tell you how impressed I am with the research and support offered.. not to mention that I've won the membership back 3x's in my first outing!

[Edited by iwinbaccarat on 12-Mar-09 17:45]

You're right garnabby, beware of any and all systems that sound too good to be true. Anyone can write anything or any book on baccarat for that matter but the system's useless. Why do you think they're selling it? nothing beats research and tried and tested "live" shoes. That means you try it in the casino for at least 500-600 shoes. That way you have a grasp for how it will work out in the long term, which is most important.

Garnabby as far as the first example is concerned sure there was a lot of posting on the particular method it wasn't for sale btw I was involved with it the testing and such but i couldnt make it fail with the tr\ests I did with it and others too

I know of one person who uses it and it wins a bit for him so I dont know why you have singled that one out it id no better or worse than most of the systems posted here Template methods are just another bet selection

Regards Rodney

As you are well aware, I have around 1000 systems. None of which I have used in a casino.

There are a few - a very few - that LOOK good. Meaning they make sense and have a somewhat logical approach based on a lot of things I have researched regarding repeating numbers etc. etc.

I KNOW that a roulette tracking computer can beat roulette. But whether the one's being sold online work or not - I honestly don't know.

eirescott,

The only instances i can think of off-hand which would be valid seller-excuses (for not applying their own inventions themselves) are:

1. Already banned/well-known for their successes;
2. Can't apply those for personal, moral or ethical reasons.
3. Don't have the sufficient bankroll to make revealing those economical; or can play from an other's much-larger bankroll;
4. Team-play... which to me is just an illogical way to split the proceeds.

But have any of those ever been claimed by any of the "serious" system-sellers? No, because the scammers need to come off being perfect in every way to "sell" such outrageous stuff. Of course there is still much to be gleaned from the collective works, and the posts on these boards. In fact, i would say half of my recent ideas about baccarat have stemmed from the latters. That's why i chose to "give back to the community" by way of that private forum. And i certainly think i understand that your much-greater efforts of late do deserve a more-closed forum. In my somewhat-educated estimation, (because i can't speak from "loads" of gambling-experience,) your work is commendable.

As for roulette-computers, no doubt. But the real problems though (for now) are the human-interfacing, and the insufficient portable computing capabilities. Long-range (50-50) detailed weather forecasts are a lot easier to come by, but they still use super-computers for that.

As for my opinion about computers, in general, that was the "big thing" 30 years ago. I never had to much to do with that, relatively speaking. Don't hear much any more about Fortran, Pascal, etc; and even less about A(rtificial) I(ntelligence). Apparently "they" now have AI programs which can carry on human-like conversation; and machines designing and building other machines. (But anyone working in these fields can easily tell the differences; and knows the slow-paced progress.) I've just seen firsthand what too many clever persons can do with a pen and paper, and 10 minutes, to ever believe that computers could ever (organically) create anything, or tell us something someone doesn't already know. (No computer program can reproduce even itself... the last i was told anyway.) Yes, there are "organic computers", "quantum computers", etc, in the works but then so were the "abacus" and "slide-rule" at those times.