Thread: Anyone Interested in Testing a NEW Method?

Okay, hello to everyone on this Baccarat Forum! I am a NEW Member and have been developing a Baccarat Strategy for six years now and am looking for a couple of serious testers, those who have lots of Baccarat Cards from previous sessions in the Casinos. Initially, if you'd like, you could send me a couple of result cards and I'll plug them in my program and send you the results. The METHOD is REAL EASY to utilize and will generally NET you anywhere between 12% and 35% return on wagers each and every shoe while usually never having place a wager larger than (6) times your base wager and even that is rare. The average consecutive loss sequence is around (2.5).

Thus, if you like the results I send back we can proceed to the next phase of testing. I am looking for two to three individuals who are serious.

The PLUS for me is this; if I have a couple of folks VERIFY that my method is verifyable and works, then I will be on my way to marketing it for a small fee.

Hope to be hearing from any of you out there!

The FIRST RESULTS are IN!

THE RESULTS were as follows for the two shoes as PROVIDED BY "TURFMAN" a FORUM Member for testing my METHOD No. 1:

Shoe No. 1

Base Unit Size: $25.00
No. of Hands looked at: 64
No. of hands actually played/bet: 24
Highest Unit Bet: 4x Base Unit or $100.00, made (1) time while playing
Total Dollars Wagered: $775.00
Total Profit Dollars: $461.25
Total Return on Wagers: 59.52%

Shoe No. 2

Base Unit Size: $25.00
No. of Hands looked at: 64
No. of hands actually played/bet: 28
Highest Unit Bet: 6x Base Unit or $150.00, made (1) time while playing
Total Dollars Wagered: $1275.00
Total Profit Dollars: $362.50
Total Return on Wagers: 28.43%

It's a pretty solid method for those who do not wish to play every hand of the shoe!

I welcome more members to send me their shoes for testing but PLEASE send in the following format:

P-P-B-P-B-B and so on, and please do NOT include TIE hands as those are not considered at all by my program, thus, it is a waste of time to include them. Try and send shoes that have at least (65) hands of play for the analysis, makes things easier for me.

I have some very recent shoes from Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods. How do I get them to you and how can I test your system at these casinos? The sooner the better...... I've got alot of time off right now and have been going daily. Thanks.

Hey WallGator,

As shown below ...

It's a pretty solid method for those who do not wish to play every hand of the shoe!

I welcome more members to send me their shoes for testing but PLEASE send in the following format:

P-P-B-P-B-B and so on, and please do NOT include TIE hands as those are not considered at all by my program, thus, it is a waste of time to include them. Try and send shoes that have at least (65) hands of play for the analysis, makes things easier for me.

Hi Grab,

Please read the PM I sent. If you're serious, let me know.

Best, wallygator

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

...and please do NOT include TIE hands as those are not considered at all by my program, thus, it is a waste of time to include them.

If you are trying to find a correlation in your system then you must include the tie hands as well. Ignoring them will eilminate many false-positive results and skew the results in your favor. It may look good on paper but your system will not be as effective as it should in the casinos.

Even if you are not looking for a correlation and only looking at the average results then you should still include the tied hands. Otherwise you will not be able to calculate your standard error correctly. It will also skew your calculations of variance and risk of ruin which are very important.

Hey Svant, I appreciate the reply and your advice. Please understand that I have been using this method at the LIVE Casino and it performs well; all I really needed were some LIVE results form various Forum Members around the country to get a variance on my results based on different shuffling rules from different Casinos, especially those located on the East Coast. Possibly your TIE analysis seems valid for you and I won't dispute that, we all have our rules for variances and deviations, but for me, and all the research I have done to develop my methods in the last six years, pulling the TIE out of the equation doesn't affect my results. I mean we could argue about that until the cows come home, but what I am after is just some LIVE results from shoes encountered in different parts of the United States, that's all, because it's not like I plan to publish my research in the Journal for Applied Mathematics or anything like that. The results I am requesting may give me an inkling of possibly into "Tweaking" my strategy a bit, that's all. I have already had a couple of members forward their shoes to me and so far all have show significant profits from the methods I have developed, methods again developed without considering the TIE variance. Hope that explains my position?

I’m really not trying to be a jerk about this , but I really want to make sure that you are using proper numbers to test your system. Variance is a very specific and well-defined statistical term. It is not something that different people have different rules for. Either you are calculating it properly or you aren’t. In order to have confidence in your results you need to be calculating everything properly. Otherwise, as I pointed out, you will get false results that may cause you a lot of problems in the casinos.

The standard error is important because you need to have confidence in your results. How accurate are your current results? How many hands do you need to test to have enough confidence in your numbers? These are questions that the standard error can answer.

The variance is very important because you need to know how volatile the results are in order to bet properly. If you don’t account for the inherent risk of the game, you could easily go broke during a bad streak even though you have an advantage over the casino. Your advantage is meaningless without the associated variance of the bets. Just ask the numerous card counters and stock traders who went broke even though they were playing perfectly.

I don’t want to see anyone on this website lose money because of miscalculations or unknown/unexpected risks.

Hi there, again, I really appreciate your concern, I think the best thing to do is send me (2) of the toughest shoes you've encountered, shoes where the standard deviation goes off the richter scale, I'll process them and send you the results ... how's that!

GTG

It’s not the particular shoes that I’m worried about, it’s the overall testing procedure. If the testing method is flawed then all the results will be flawed. Based on your results so far, what is the EV and variance of your system? How many hands has it been tested for?

GG,
How many total shoes have you ran your strategy over so far?
Dennis

Hi Dennis, about (35) shoes as of this note, more or have been sent, I just haven't had the time to process them, but stay tuned!

GTG

FYI....

I sent GTG 6 shoes that I played within the past week in real casinos at real tables. He was looking for more live shoes from casinos in places other than his own general area. I sent him 2 shoes that I won well, 2 that were difficult but won marginally, and 2 that I could not get to win using 3 methods I know of (after I got back home and re-ran them). He got back to me within a day and the results were incredible. All 6 shoes won and averaged over 26% of a return on my wagers. To the best of my knowledge, it does not get any better than that..... I can tell you my 401(K) isn't close to that return.

On a personal note, GTG is an easy guy to communicate with and has a genuine interest in helping others. I am confident he can help anyone here.

wallygator

FYI, again .....

GTG did another 10 shoes of mine. Return on wagers was again over 25% with 9 shoes winning nicely and 1 breaking even.

Good stuff ...

wallygator

Hey GTG, can you post the results of each of the 35 shoes you've tested so far? I'd like to see what kind of shoes you were up against. I've seen some shoes where everybody at the table gets wiped out no matter what system they use, and other shoes where every system scores a big win. Have your tests been like that? I like to know what kind of shoes I can expect in the worst/best case scenarios.

Hey Savant,

I will try and get you those results when I have time; I am a business owner and my free time is usually on the weekends, but I'll get to it as soon as I can, you can be assured of that. It will probably be late Saturday or Sunday ... this weekend. Please send me an Email address where I can send the results.

Regards,

GTG

I sent several shoes to GTG that he ran his strategy over and returned the shoes showing where he placed his bets and how much he bet. All shoe were won. I found GTG very friendly and willing to help. If his method of play continues to win at this rate long term then it will be the best method I have seen.
Dennis

Another FYI .....

I have continued to benefit with the strategies GTG has provided me. If you want something for long term play that is consistent, I strongly recommend you contact him. I am unable to share it openly, but I can assure you, if you are a serious player and willing to put some educational time in, he has something absolutely worth learning.

Originally Posted by dennisbelle

I sent several shoes to GTG that he ran his strategy over and returned the shoes showing where he placed his bets and how much he bet. All shoe were won.

Send your scorecards to me and I'll show you a system that will win twice as much on every shoe GUARANTEED! It's not hard to develop a winning system when you already know the outcome of every hand. That's why you can't rely on these types of tests especially after only a few shoes of results. Proper testing is crucial.

Just wanted to introduce myself, been a lurker on here for a while. Are there any subjects that we can't talk about on here?

Originally Posted by NoseVotsobele

Just wanted to introduce myself, been a lurker on here for a while. Are there any subjects that we can't talk about on here?

NoseVotsobele,

I guess not, but like Savant implied that comes with a "reader beware" notice.

Originally Posted by NoseVotsobele

Just wanted to introduce myself, been a lurker on here for a while. Are there any subjects that we can't talk about on here?

Hey NoseV, you got any casinos in Oman?

Originally Posted by Savant

Send your scorecards to me and I'll show you a system that will win twice as much on every shoe GUARANTEED! It's not hard to develop a winning system when you already know the outcome of every hand. That's why you can't rely on these types of tests especially after only a few shoes of results. Proper testing is crucial.

What's this? You already know the outcome of every hand? Is your name Clark Kent Savant or Jesus or what? with the X-ray glasses? Pardon my scepticism but I waver between that and died-in-the-wool cynic... Hang on, I think I got it... You somehow memorized the sequence of the entire 8-decks shoe... Did I nail it?

Originally Posted by Katweezel

What's this? You already know the outcome of every hand?

Of course I already know the outcome of every hand. It's written on the scorecard! It’s incredibly easy to develop a system that works perfectly for a few specific shoes. Hindsight is 50/50. Unfortunately those specific shoes will probably never happen again. The system will break down and eventually lose against many different shoes. That is why systems that rely on patterns/streaks/progressions are not winning strategies. It is also the reason that testing systems this way is completely inaccurate.

I’ve already received a few private messages asking me for my system. Apparently I’ll have to be more careful with my sarcasm on this website.

Is there a specific section on here that I should use to advertise my website? Just wanted to make sure I asked before posting about it ...Thanks!

Originally Posted by KeHoeff

Is there a specific section on here that I should use to advertise my website? Just wanted to make sure I asked before posting about it ...Thanks!

KeHoeff,

In my experience here one may post any link that is baccarat-related; and which is not posted specifically for the purpose of diminishing this message-board.

Also, you may include that information in your profile data.

Originally Posted by NoseVotsobele

Just wanted to introduce myself, been a lurker on here for a while. Are there any subjects that we can't talk about on here?

My understanding is that we can talk of anything here, especially your brand-new baccarat system that makes $10M per session. (On second thoughts, we better talk about that privately, by PM, just you and me.)

But we are unable to disagree with anything anyone says here, especially me. Just kidding...

You have one intriguing name there NV. Sounds sort of like mine... from another planet.

For all of those folks who have sent me data for my research I thank you so much! Please understand I am processing this information as fast as I can and if it seems a bit long to get your results please be patient, I have been bombarded with data and I am trying to get back to everyone in a timely fashion. Some of you whom have sent data to me have ommitted sending your Email address, thus, if you don't mind, please ensure that you let me know where I can send your results.

Thanks again everyone for assisting me!

Grab the Gold

Originally Posted by Grab The Gold

For all of those folks who have sent me data for my research I thank you so much! Please understand I am processing this information as fast as I can and if it seems a bit long to get your results please be patient, I have been bombarded with data and I am trying to get back to everyone in a timely fashion. Some of you whom have sent data to me have ommitted sending your Email address, thus, if you don't mind, please ensure that you let me know where I can send your results.

Thanks again everyone for assisting me!

Grab the Gold

May the Force be with you GTG, and stay with you, unto forever.

Hi GTG,

In case you don't have my email address on the shoes that I emailed, here it is:

js_intl@yahoo.com

Tks in advance.