Thread: Baccarat Pattern Recognition by Power Play International

Hello! I was wondering if anyone has played a method called baccarat pattern recognition by a company called power play international. They were around for years but seemed to have dissapeared now. I was wanting to discuss this with anyone who has seen it or played it before.

I think that company was in oklahoma or somewhere around there.....
I had the manual a long time ago....It's totally subjective.....they had some audio tapes about how to use the method but the tapes describe bets where the person ( I think it was a woman ) had the results of the shoe in front of her and was making 10 to 15 units a shoe flat betting...its pretty easy to beat baccarat if you know what the results of the shoe are before you sit down.

I tried to use the method by dealing hands from my own 8 decks of cards but I couldn't have any success.

Hi nathan, I found this post through the search. At first I found the page for the company online but all I found was a spammy sort of page with just links to casinos, I'm assuming they sold the site or went out of business or something like that. The system doesn't seem to be sold online anymore, as far as I could tell. If anyone happens to have a copy of the manual it'd be great to somehow post it up via attachment or link if you could, I'd be really curious about it.

Anyway, I was able to find the old homepage using archive.org.

Here's the old homepage sales pitch:

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As I mentioned in my post above, I had this method about 15 years ago....it's totally subjecive.

I dont have the manual or audio tapes any more. I practiced the method dealing my own shoes and didnt have any success with it. The audio tales describe the method but the woman describing the betting on the audio tapes had the results of the shoe in front of her and was able to make 15 or 16 units a shoe flat betting.....pretty easy todo when you know who will win the next hand.

I think the man who was the woman's husband had some kind of illness and maybe that's why the web site if down. They were honest people,,,its just that the method didnt seem to work in real time.

Originally Posted by tomddxx

As I mentioned in my post above, I had this method about 15 years ago....it's totally subjecive.

I dont have the manual or audio tapes any more. I practiced the method dealing my own shoes and didnt have any success with it. The audio tales describe the method but the woman describing the betting on the audio tapes had the results of the shoe in front of her and was able to make 15 or 16 units a shoe flat betting.....pretty easy todo when you know who will win the next hand.

I think the man who was the woman's husband had some kind of illness and maybe that's why the web site if down. They were honest people,,,its just that the method didnt seem to work in real time.

I had this system too. My results are exactly what tom quoted above. No, I no longer have the manual. I sold it on eBay for about $150 looooong time ago.

yip, you guys are talking about ely and dee....my brother first turned me on to them, he would call them about every week to find out how they did, usually their trips was to kansas city or tunica and vegas too...every week the trip report was postive, they would win oh, 12000 this week, maybe 15000 the next week, then maybe run into a little snag and only bring home 5000, well naturally this got my attention, sorry to say this, but it didn't work for me long term, but the idea is still sound, maybe i didn't play it just exactly right, ely told me one time, that you could drop him off on the street in las vegas with only 100 dollars in his pocket and within the 1st month he would be living in a nice apartment and within a year he'd have a nice house, nice car, big bankroll etc. ive been to his house in tulsa and it was a nice house, probably quarter million or so, he also drove a new car and from what i could gather he or she didn't work any other jobs... i do hope they're doing fine. i really enjoyed them and belive them to be good people...yes ely did have to do, oh what do you call it, something to do with your kidneys, oh yow, dialisis, last time i talked to him he was lookin' for kidney, hope he got it!..... by any chance if 'ol carrie, the lawyer from flordia who i met in vegas with ely and dee is reading this, i'd sure like to see you again or at least talk to you and see how you're doing.

Originally Posted by takethe win

yip, you guys are talking about ely and dee....my brother first turned me on to them, he would call them about every week to find out how they did, usually their trips was to kansas city or tunica and vegas too...every week the trip report was postive, they would win oh, 12000 this week, maybe 15000 the next week, then maybe run into a little snag and only bring home 5000, well naturally this got my attention, sorry to say this, but it didn't work for me long term, but the idea is still sound, maybe i didn't play it just exactly right, ely told me one time, that you could drop him off on the street in las vegas with only 100 dollars in his pocket and within the 1st month he would be living in a nice apartment and within a year he'd have a nice house, nice car, big bankroll etc. ive been to his house in tulsa and it was a nice house, probably quarter million or so, he also drove a new car and from what i could gather he or she didn't work any other jobs... i do hope they're doing fine. i really enjoyed them and belive them to be good people...yes ely did have to do, oh what do you call it, something to do with your kidneys, oh yow, dialisis, last time i talked to him he was lookin' for kidney, hope he got it!..... by any chance if 'ol carrie, the lawyer from flordia who i met in vegas with ely and dee is reading this, i'd sure like to see you again or at least talk to you and see how you're doing.

There is always an idea or two from every method that may prove to help. I used to have BPR but it went with my computer crash. No back up at the time. Too bad. If I recall (been a bunch of years) it was basically a follow last decision (FLD) until the break then bet same side for the chop to come back. That was the backbone. If you ran into a 11 chop (ZZ as some say) you would bet opposite last decision (OLD) until lose to a two in a row but then go right back and bet OLD again. When you got that three in a row or more it would mean a pattern change and you bet for a a 3+ lose, back to betting FLD if lose bet for the pattern 313 or 414, etc. So, IOW, you'd look for some pattern to continue until it broke. That may not be clear but that's the gist of it. It gets a little subjective when playing it.

Archer

I purchased BPR back in 1997. I met with Ely and Dee in Shrevport LA. I was looking for a system that was half way predictable, realistic ( I was not out to get rich) and was easy to apply. I can honestly say without BS that I have won thousands of dollars using their system. Their approach to gambling was very conservative. How many of you could win just 5 units or lose 4 units and quit the session? Most times I did and a many times I didn't. I lived in Switzerland for 3 years and would play Bac over their. I always did good. When we came back in 1999 I played in Vegas alot. Honestly, I had only one bad trip out of years of travel. I went crazy and didn't play with any discipline. I spent most of my winnings on my trips and had a awesome time in Vegas. I stayed in contact with Dee after Ely passed. But lately I have not heard peep from her. Dee is always a joy to talk to. I don't play much anymore because of the inconvenience of traveling. They opened a Winstar Casino north of Dallas on the OK border. It has 1 Bac table open most of the time. I have yet to feel the fire to go up there to reap some winnings. I would enjoy talking with others who love to play the game. Who knows how to chart like the asians do? I never learned.

Originally Posted by Archer

There is always an idea or two from every method that may prove to help. I used to have BPR but it went with my computer crash. No back up at the time. Too bad. If I recall (been a bunch of years) it was basically a follow last decision (FLD) until the break then bet same side for the chop to come back. That was the backbone. If you ran into a 11 chop (ZZ as some say) you would bet opposite last decision (OLD) until lose to a two in a row but then go right back and bet OLD again. When you got that three in a row or more it would mean a pattern change and you bet for a a 3+ lose, back to betting FLD if lose bet for the pattern 313 or 414, etc. So, IOW, you'd look for some pattern to continue until it broke. That may not be clear but that's the gist of it. It gets a little subjective when playing it.

Archer

this actually works..something in what i use..bet with the patterns and against it when they break down...past weekend made 35.000 doing that..no joke

Originally Posted by nathan

Hello! I was wondering if anyone has played a method called baccarat pattern recognition by a company called power play international. They were around for years but seemed to have dissapeared now. I was wanting to discuss this with anyone who has seen it or played it before.

A close friend of mine here in Vegas plays pattern recognition with great success. He mentions this woman he bought it from who seems to come into Vegas sometimes...........Bwaysam228.

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

this actually works..something in what i use..bet with the patterns and against it when they break down...past weekend made 35.000 doing that..no joke

Reports of winnings ae fine but I think people should put them in context of number of shoes played, bet sizes, and number of units won. 35.000? what is that?

A

Originally Posted by Bwaysam228

A close friend of mine here in Vegas plays pattern recognition with great success. He mentions this woman he bought it from who seems to come into Vegas sometimes...........Bwaysam228.

Some "rules" that I recall (I think) are:

1. Always chop back after a run ends except when following a third repeat such as PPP B (now bet P again) but if lose to PPP BB (now bet B and keep betting for the 3's or more to continue).

2. Always bet that 2's will follow 2's (PP BB keep betting for PP BB, etc.) except if you have a lot of 1's (P B PP B...) then just consider the 2 as an "interrupter" and continue betting the single chop but if you get another 2 (P B PP BB. . . ) then bet for 2's.

The method looks for patterns and tries to follow them. For instance if you got a P BB P BB you would look for those to continue.

I thiink there is a stop and wait agt some point. There is also something about a "Pattern Change." Maybe that is when you stop and wait - not sure. That's all remember. If I remember more I will let you know.

W/O mentioning names, the woman who started Pattern Recognition used to work for me years ago. I fired her for scamming. In seminars she used a reflector camera and played a shoe supplied by the audience. She covered the next play so the audience couldn't see it on screen . However she could see it right through the cover because the light is so bright. Therefore she could play with uncanny accuracy and bet with or against the pattern with pure BS explanations to the audience - A clever scam that made her look like a genius. Pattern Recognition is pure BS. Consider yourself warned.

Originally Posted by Bwaysam228

A close friend of mine here in Vegas plays pattern recognition with great success. He mentions this woman he bought it from who seems to come into Vegas sometimes...........Bwaysam228.

Would appreciate hearing from anyone out there who is now using pattern recognition with success...........Bwaysam228.

[QUOTE=Bwaysam228;20407]Would appreciate hearing from anyone else who is now using pattern recognition by power playinternational with sucess.......Bwaysam228.

[quote=Bwaysam228;20408]

Originally Posted by Bwaysam228

Would appreciate hearing from anyone else who is now using pattern recognition by power playinternational with sucess.......Bwaysam228.

Originally Posted by Ellis

W/O mentioning names, the woman who started Pattern Recognition used to work for me years ago. I fired her for scamming. In seminars she used a reflector camera and played a shoe supplied by the audience. She covered the next play so the audience couldn't see it on screen . However she could see it right through the cover because the light is so bright. Therefore she could play with uncanny accuracy and bet with or against the pattern with pure BS explanations to the audience - A clever scam that made her look like a genius. Pattern Recognition is pure BS. Consider yourself warned.

Coming from the #1 Scammer on this site you got to take the above with a grain (nay, "block") of salt!

Come on Ellis, it was just another follow the trend guess method. Can't stand the competiton? However, I don't recall any unproven claims like your stuff. The method just followed the trend that existed in the shoe. SOUND FAMILIAR?

Oh, wait. Your methods all have fixed rules . . .so tell us again why can't methods with fixed rules be tested? And how come you ahve 12 different systems?

Archer

Archer, you are so completely full of shit your posts are not worth further comment. Since you seem to know of the method, you must be one of the idiots that fell for her scam like you did with card counting..

Originally Posted by Ellis

Archer, you are so completely full of shit your posts are not worth further comment. Since you seem to know of the method, you must be one of the idiots that fell for her scam like you did with card counting..

This was a pleasant thread until the all seeing all knowing Ellis stepped in BTW Ellis how is twister doing

Originally Posted by natural9

This was a pleasant thread until the all seeing all knowing Ellis stepped in BTW Ellis how is twister doing

Yup!

Look what I found! This file is several years old and was written just AFTER my haard drive went. I am not sure if, after losing BPR I tried to recall or what. Anyway I am not claiming this is BPR. I do know that I authored this file so . . .perhaps someone would like to make sense of it.

The Fib is included so perhpas that is the prog that was used with BPR. Anyway, here it is. Looks like a follow the trend thing without bothering with counting the runs.

1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21,

Inside a multiple single when hit a repeat play 2 stays two and if u win go back to chop.

When inside a singular single when hit a repeat play 2 stays two. If u win play the 212

If 2 goes 3 play run all the way.

In normal non pattern of runs like 3’s and more always play to return to same side after the loss and if lose play for opposite run. If win play for same side run.

If after a loss to a run of 3+ and lose the return bet follow the opp run.

If win the return bet follow til lose.

If lose the follow then play the single chop

After two consec. 2’s play for 2’s until end.

If u get only one 2 inside a single chop then treat it as an interrupter and continue with the single chop – if u get another 2 after a singular then treat as normal 121
After long run and then a 2 bet for a 2 next run so PPPPPP BB P bet P for 2’s until lose

Archer

Well since Archer has yet again called me a liar I guess I can mention names. Also since Natural9 has ridiculed for doing a public service because he doesn't know any better.

Her name was Sherie Pelzman and it was me who taught her the true Fibonacci:
1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21.
Does that ring a bell Archer? Of course not, even if it did.

Thanks for posting BPR..(well maybe it is..)kinda cryptic but give er a look see...

Originally Posted by Ellis

Well since Archer has yet again called me a liar I guess I can mention names. Also since Natural9 has ridiculed for doing a public service because he doesn't know any better.

Her name was Sherie Pelzman and it was me who taught her the true Fibonacci:
1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21.
Does that ring a bell Archer? Of course not, even if it did.

Yes oh holy one of baccarat

Very intelligent natural9. What do you do for an encore? Pick your nose?

Originally Posted by John

Don't think I've laughed so hard when I read that. Scammers infighting, after all there is only a limited supply of stupidity to feast over

I know! Another Ellis CLASSIC!

Originally Posted by Archer

Yup!

Look what I found! This file is several years old and was written just AFTER my haard drive went. I am not sure if, after losing BPR I tried to recall or what. Anyway I am not claiming this is BPR. I do know that I authored this file so . . .perhaps someone would like to make sense of it.

The Fib is included so perhpas that is the prog that was used with BPR. Anyway, here it is. Looks like a follow the trend thing without bothering with counting the runs.

1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21,

Inside a multiple single when hit a repeat play 2 stays two and if u win go back to chop.

When inside a singular single when hit a repeat play 2 stays two. If u win play the 212

If 2 goes 3 play run all the way.

In normal non pattern of runs like 3’s and more always play to return to same side after the loss and if lose play for opposite run. If win play for same side run.

If after a loss to a run of 3+ and lose the return bet follow the opp run.

If win the return bet follow til lose.

If lose the follow then play the single chop

After two consec. 2’s play for 2’s until end.

If u get only one 2 inside a single chop then treat it as an interrupter and continue with the single chop – if u get another 2 after a singular then treat as normal 121
After long run and then a 2 bet for a 2 next run so PPPPPP BB P bet P for 2’s until lose

Archer

I have all the BPR manuals and I don't recall any of the above stuff. BPR was a flat betting method based on a shoe history. In one of their updates they recommended flat betting for beginners and an option to parlay your bets by one after a win if things were going well in a shoe but again that was optional. In my opinion BPR could be played mechanically 75-80% of the time and the rest was subjective depending on the skill and experience of the player. I guess it's like someone buying a book written by a world champion Texas Hold'em player, reading it once then expecting to hit the tables and cleaning up. some players will be successful in time and others will fail miserably for one reason or another. Also I would compare playing BPR to that of a professional trader using technical analysis, studying stock market and currency charts and using their history to make decisions whether to buy or sell. In BPR you use the history of the shoe to decide whether to bet player or bank, you do not bet on every hand and again some players will good at and others not.

Moonraker

Thanks moonraker for the update..How many manuals are threre? was this some kinda Carnegie Hall seminar stuff? thanks

Originally Posted by pitty1

Thanks moonraker for the update..How many manuals are threre? was this some kinda Carnegie Hall seminar stuff? thanks

Pitty1, I have four manuals which I think are the lot. Dee generally ran seminars usually in Las Vegas but I live in Australia and unfortunately never got to one. She also provided tapes of some of the seminars. In my opinion the first manual was the best.

Moonraker

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I have all the BPR manuals and I don't recall any of the above stuff. BPR was a flat betting method based on a shoe history. In one of their updates they recommended flat betting for beginners and an option to parlay your bets by one after a win if things were going well in a shoe but again that was optional. In my opinion BPR could be played mechanically 75-80% of the time and the rest was subjective depending on the skill and experience of the player. I guess it's like someone buying a book written by a world champion Texas Hold'em player, reading it once then expecting to hit the tables and cleaning up. some players will be successful in time and others will fail miserably for one reason or another. Also I would compare playing BPR to that of a professional trader using technical analysis, studying stock market and currency charts and using their history to make decisions whether to buy or sell. In BPR you use the history of the shoe to decide whether to bet player or bank, you do not bet on every hand and again some players will good at and others not.

Moonraker

Thanks for clarifying. I was't sure where I got that from. Perhaps it was someone's interpretation of BPR or another system named BPR?

But the bit about 75-80% mechanical sounds right to me. What about the "chop back" rule? That is other than going after opposite repeat runs of 2's, 3's, etc. does it call for betting the same side after a run ends? (PPPP B P) Like that.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

Thanks for clarifying. I was't sure where I got that from. Perhaps it was someone's interpretation of BPR or another system named BPR?

But the bit about 75-80% mechanical sounds right to me. What about the "chop back" rule? That is other than going after opposite repeat runs of 2's, 3's, etc. does it call for betting the same side after a run ends? (PPPP B P) Like that.

A

Archer I think the chop back rule you are talking about was called the 'come back bet' which went like this, if you had three streaks in a row of either player of banker such PPP B PPPP BB PPP B P you bet for in this case the player to come back. Another example would be BBBB PPP BBBBB PP BBBB P B, bet bank to come back. The same applied to 'single chops' i.e P BB P BBB P B P B here you have three single players in a row so after the next player you bet for bank.

Moonraker