Thread: Baccarat Wealth (The Baccarat Wealth Method) by Don Tigert

Has anyone tried this method before?

I emailed him some questions...if he responds I'll let you know ( such questions as if there is a negative or positive progression )

You have to be careful about buying any method since its the old question....why would someone sell something when you can make thousands of times the profir playing it yourself.

Found out its some sort of 8 step martingale.....which is a disaster.....dont waste your time or money with it.

Originally Posted by tomddxx

Found out its some sort of 8 step martingale.....which is a disaster.....dont waste your time or money with it.

LOL the classic system of all,it will never fail provided you have a big bank and a tabl with no limits!

Originally Posted by tomddxx

I emailed him some questions...if he responds I'll let you know

Could you please copy-and-paste what he wrote to you via email here so we can see his response to your questions?

I found some info on Baccarat Wealth, some good and some bad... the first is from Don Tigert himself:

Dear member,

Harrahs and many other major casino's have comped me so much this year it is amazing , (2) cruises, lake tahoe trips(i will be in vip seating at the eagles concert on aug 20th, lake tahoe), with air fare included, and a bunch of trips to new orleans, gulf coast, miss, las vegas and other hot spots all free. I now have offers to go to virgin island, bahamas, etc free.

You may or may not know i began a few months ago giving personal baccarat training. I received so many requests worldwide for people wanting to receive one on one training and to learn all the in's and out's of my success. This lead me to begin a "personal baccarat trainer" service for those that really want to make it big playing. Therefore to make it worth my time and many years of research i charge 250.00 per hour with a 8 hour min charge (2000.00) plus the method "baccarat personal trainer" (500.00).

So for 2500.00 you get me for a full day plus the method in its complete form that i use with all detail then also included, we go to the table and play together. It is truly baccarat college. Very simple and easy to learn especially with me there to explain how to do it. You will have less than a 10th of the score sheet writing as compared to my baccarat wealth book and triple the units per shoe , (10 units per shoe).

I show the person(s) how to make the 2500.00 fee back in 2 shoes or less. I have been staying very busy with members and new contacts that want to take there play to a new level and become rich playing baccarat , traveling full time like my self.

True story: after a one day training one member made 150,000.00 in a weekend. 150,000.00 dollars amazing and true. Granted he used a larger bankroll than most but non the less he made 150,000.00 thousand dollars after my personal instruction. By the way he is a famous person if i dropped his name you would know him and if we meet i will tell you who he is. The great thing is i can teach anyone on any level to get rich or get richer after my 1 day "baccarat personal trainer" session.

You can't go anywhere and start a full time business and begin making a large salary the first week for only 2500.00 dollars. My one day session is amazing i am living it. Others are now living it.

There is no one else offering their services on a one to one personal basis and then playing at a live table with the person to completely equip the person with all the tools needed to simply make 2000.00, 5000.00 dollars and up per day just depending on how many shoes you want to play per day. I only play 5 shoes per day and i play 4 days per week and take the rest of the week off.

As i stated part of the day after i feel you have it ingrained in your brain then we go to the table and you will be making money right beside me. By the end of the day you will have all the keys and tools to make a quarter million , a half million or more annually . You will learn to play like me and win the money like me. It shows how strong and confident i am in my play to actually meet you in person, train you for the day , then put my money where my mouth is and we go to the table and take the casinos money i know no one that will or can do this.

My book that i sell to the public for 99.00 "baccarat wealth" is entry level to my play. It is a great book and will turn a loser into a winner. However my "personal trainer" baccarat method is for the person that is ready to play fulltime, travel and play baccarat with the intent of getting rich playing baccarat.

I am asked if a partner (2 or more people) can set in on the one day training. The answer is yes however the fees are per person that i train.

I will show you how to make the fee back the same day. So there is virtually no risk and true riches to gain for the rest of your life. As a bonus i will also give instruction as to max your comps. A powerful tip how you can get all your hotels and meals paid by playing 1 just 3 shoes . The casino's look at (3) things to rate you , once you know the (3) things you can beat them
at their own comp system. Why not, i don't change the way i play for the comps but if they are going to give us free hotels, meals , air fare, show tickets, gift shop comps and much more why not take it. I play about 40 weeks per year and all the comps add thousands of dollars to my winnings. The comp tips alone will pay for the 1 day training but the important thing is you will learn in the 1 day training how to get rich playing baccarat. You will be able to use the tools i teach for the rest of your life or as long as they have baccarat in the casinos

Let me know if this interest's you. I am booked through the rest of aug and most of september.

All the best and sincerely,

Don Tigert

from bjcaptain:

I have a friend who did this and has been winning money ever since. He won enough money the first day that he spent training with the seller that he made what the course cost that day.

from thebeagle:

I believe that the colors (or odd/even or high/low) on the scorecards are simply randomly generated. Bac Wealth and Roulette Wealth are generally systems that use a randomly generated method for bet selection to bet on a random "hand" (red/black, high/low, even/odd, banker/player). It probably does not make much difference how you come up with the templates on the scorecards. As a side note, the language in most of Roulette Wealth is exactly the same language used in Bac Wealth. You just substitute Baccarat for Roulette and vice-versa.

from bjcaptain:

I don't play bac. I play roulette and blackjack and I do ok. The method he teaches has you betting a spread from $5 up to $300 on a $5 table. I don't like progressions. After seeing his results the past few weeks and realizing that he is making more in one night than I do in a week, I am considering playing it actually. I am not trying to validate this man or his method. I am simply telling you what I know. My friend loves it, he is making money with it and he highly praises the gentleman that taught him. As I told my friend, I will wait to see what your bottom line is 6 months from now, then I will get excited.

from real:

Bac wealth does not work. Period. It has been tested extensively throughout the zumma 600 book. If done correctly (testing) through the zumma book it is a big time loser. To prove it, pick out any 2 shoes in the zumma book & I will tell you exactly what decisions it made or lost money on. Why only 2 shoes, I spent a lot of time going through the testing & by you asking for any 2 shoes it will prove it has been tested extensively. I will not reveal the net unit results. If you want to play the system that badly, you are welcome to test it yourself. I will mention this, throughout the whole book it basicallly got slaughtered.... Note: I was the first one on this board to reveal the much fallible Ibs system. After testing Ibs through the whole book, it was revealed that Ibs did not test out as advertised. Your welcome to look up that thread. That was another system that wasted a lot of my time not to mention Bac wealth.

from craigm:

Baccarat Wealth doesn't work in the long term. It doesn't even work in the short term. Don Tigert is the author and claims to play it weekly. If he is playing it as much as he says he is then he is losing a lot of money. He will give you support if you order the "method" as he calls it, but the changes he has you make to "get you winning" are worthless. Anybody considering buying this system should think twice and keep their $99.

from delmanor:

People on the board say that the Baccarat Wealth System is not like the other crappy bac systems being advertized. For some reason, people stopped posting about this system. I beleive that when a system comes out to be trash, everybody talks about it on the board. When smth comes out to be good, it seems everything quiets down. I think this is the case with the Bac Wealth. If anyone is still using this system, your input would be very much appreciated.

from ralis:

Why not follow Lyle Stuart's advice and follow the trend. Then set a goal of just a few units win per session and leave the table. This is how I play all the casino games. With large enough units this could be profitable.

As Don said in his email above, the $ 99 book is an "entry level" method....
To "really" learn the method you have to take the seminar....classic
marketing technique.

Any progression system is doomed to fail unless you have more winners than losers in a shoe........its only a matter of time before you get the "shoes from hell" which wipe out your progression and bankroll.

First Time Poster here please be patient.

Hey fellow Bac fans. Been researching this vexatious game for over 15 years and have invented a few personal systems. Have played in Vegas for over 15 years. I came across Bac Wealth and tried it in Vegas many times. It has you track 10 or 11 vertical columns of decisions and look for patterns comprised of X decisions that when met trigger a four step negative progression 1 2 4 8 or if you wish you can go up to six or eight 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128. After many trial and error sessions and review of past live shoes I settled on a six-step progression as it statistically was the best stopping point for win/loss ratios. This is 1 2 4 8 16 32 for a total risk of 63 units.

The bet selections are there for you going down the column for the next 4 to 8 decisions and you have to have the guts to push the bets out there until you win one unit or lose your full progression.

Bottom Line Results:

First the good news!!!

I would typically win 8 to 12 units per shoe sometimes 14 if I wanted to push things. I would play 5 or 6 shoes in a session and win 50 to 75 units total for a win of $500 to $750 at a $10 table or $1200 to $1400 at $25 tables.

Now the bad news!!!

Experienced players know that I would suffer the loss of 63 units at any given time. Sometimes it was the second or third shoe of what was going to be a six-shoe session. I would blow out my buy in and have to go "lick my wounds".

The developer recommends stopping after winning 10 units in a shoe. This is good advice because I pushed it many times and noticed I would blow out my progression on the 13, 14, 15th win attempt a disproportionate amount of the time.

Overall Summary:

This is a viable system in the short run and you can use it for a weekend and probably not get burned. My conclusion was that in my experience only it is a long term losing system because it did not win enough to offset the losses of 63 units at a time. I used six decisions because the four decision progression lost way to often and I found that if lost 6 in a row it was little help to go for two more tries especially with the huge units at risk (64 & 128 units).

Another note:

Apparently this system has beaten some of the casinos in the short run because some of the casinos' pit staff would try to talk to me to distract me away from my record keeping and scans. This is a very intense system in that you have to record ten times the usual number of decisions every hand and then scan all columns to find the right setup developing and sometimes you would have two or three setups developing or being bet at the same time (optional not required). That was another reason to stop after 10 wins so you could rest and prepare for the next shoe.

Has anybody optimized this system better than me to make it viable long term?

I tried many variations of less aggressive progressions and other ideas but never got very far.

All comments appreciated.

My results closely follow those of Bacfan1. I never went to a 6 step marti but stuck with the 4 step a prescribed in the manual. BTW, this appears to be the same method as the Moving Target Bac Method.

I played 2 or 3 times in the local casino until the minimums went from $5 to $20 but practice play had me losing more than the needed minimum to stay in profit. I was only winning 4 - 6 units per shoe so I need to win 3 - 5 shoes before losing one. I could not maintain this win ratio in home practice so I stopped playing the system. However, I think the concepts may be good for playing on a short term basis, I just think the systems method to determine your bets is just far too much work and not reliable enough to maintain a positive ROI.

I won't be buying Baccarat Wealth, nor shelling out $2500 for his 8-hour presence including a twosome with him down at the casino playing his fab system.
Quote from Stanford Wong: Progressions do not give you an edge. Wong is a respected author who has proved he knows what he is talking about.

The author of Baccarat Wealth treats the reader like he/she is an idiot, with his blatant bullshit about some famous person that bought his crap and he will spill the beans as to who that is, when we cough up $2500. Then we get the idea that his $99 book is basically the entree for the real deal that is going to make us rich, quick. And forget about the miserable pathetic $2500 you pay as you will win double that back in just one or two days! Soon you will be living the life of luxury, just like him... and so it goes.
Anyone who paid $99 for his book, then finds out the real deal costs $2500 is not gonna be a happy chappy.

Anyone falls for all this malarkey is an idiot.

Does anybody have the Don Tigert Seminar method. if you do please e-mail me I would like to review it. I have other systems to trade if interested.

Originally Posted by Katweezel

Anyone falls for all this malarkey is an idiot.

+1

The sad thing is that this guy probably suckers a handful of people every year. And this cash is what is offsetting his gambling losses.

Originally Posted by WHITEL0TUS

Does anybody have the Don Tigert Seminar method. if you do please e-mail me I would like to review it. I have other systems to trade if interested.

I have send you a PM with my email address.

From my experience of hundreds of hours on a Bac. table. Any straight martindale system allowing for a series of bets in a row with double ups is a loosing or breakeven system if you have the time to invest to recoup your losses. But if you have a bankroll and nerves to allow for unlimited double ups, up to 15 for example, you can win in the short term, maybe.

You can use the 4 step progression, but WAIT till you lose the first 2 step then start your 4 step betting, this way, you probably don't place bet too much, but more safe.

Originally Posted by Bacronin

You can use the 4 step progression, but WAIT till you lose the first 2 step then start your 4 step betting, this way, you probably don't place bet too much, but more safe.

Odds only applies to actual bets placed. Waiting for two on-paper losses first, achieves nothing (odds~wise), plus you miss out on all those "W, LW" runs.

Yes, people would argue that every bet is 50-50 chance, but in this case, you pick a 6 betting sequence, then use a 4 step progression, what is the odds for you to lose all 6 bet sequence? these 6 bet sequence is a random pick choice, any random pick would be ok, even toss the coin.

After you lose 4 bets in a row. Face it, you ain't gonna bet waiting any-more for two on-paper losses.

Of course, you would and will lose the 4 step progression somewhere on the road, if you expose yourself too long, meaning play looong hours.
thus this is good for the hit and run. no body can win all the time, and no body can lose all the time.

Originally Posted by Bacronin

Of course, you would and will lose the 4 step progression somewhere on the road, if you expose yourself too long, meaning play looong hours.
thus this is good for the hit and run. no body can win all the time, and no body can lose all the time.

Length of time playing a martingale is irrelevant. You can lose at any time.

Originally Posted by confusedgambler

Length of time playing a martingale is irrelevant.

Personally I agreed.

Originally Posted by Bacronin

Of course, you would and will lose the 4 step progression somewhere on the road, if you expose yourself too long, meaning play looong hours.
thus this is good for the hit and run. no body can win all the time, and no body can lose all the time.

If u are doing a 4 step Marty, the way to get on with your play would be...yes, a hit and run! But do not, after 'hit', run out of the casino, rather run to the next table & the next & the next....till u busted your bankroll. Then calculate how much your winnings is against your lost BR (15 units?) or if it's the other way round. This way u get to the bottom of whether this strategy works or not in double quick time.

I haven't tried Baccarat but I did develop my own system for playing and winning Blackjack consistently.
Regarding the Martingale system of betting, I found it to be lacking because when you finally win you only win ONE chip. I personally use a modified system wherein you Double your bet plus add one more chip. Series would be 1, 3, 7, 15, 31, 63 = 120 total. In this way you get paid for every hand you play ... win or lose.

If I lose the whole series I get hurt significantly, so I find it more efficient to use a 3 or 4 bet sequence, 1, 3, 7 or 1, 3, 7, 15. You can do quite well with this series of betting. I was asked to leave multiple casinos so I feel my system is validated. For some reason they couldn't figure out why I only lost my small hands but usually won my big hands. LOL

Well, I was a professional card counter and played BJ for years. I have spent many, many hours at the BJ tables. Very often it is a game of runs. It is expected to lose multiple hands in a row often. Even the best card counters will have long multiple losing sessions. To put it as politely as I can, the above system would be a total disaster in a big hurry, and is completely unplayable under any circumsance. BJ is NOT a game for an aggessive neg. prog., and especially a Marty or Grand Marty. And, beside that, today's BJ game is considered unbeatable. love, swami

Originally Posted by swami

And, beside that, today's BJ game is considered unbeatable. love, swami

Well that depends where you play.

There are plenty of Casino's around the world that offer rules that you can beat using BS alone. Cyprus is one. Some places in the Baltic as well. They offer late surrender resplit aces and many other great rules. The players in these Casino's hang themselves on these rules by miss playing them. Then again most games where you can find 1 deck pen is beatable.

I too was a pro BJ Player for many years until I wore out the welcome mat in to many places. Turning to Bac to see if there is a way to beat it long term. Cant find it yet.

True about different places. The old story about thinking I know everything, and then new info comes along that I do not have. As you know Vegas is impossible now. I saw a guy in Perth betting huge and winning. He had is own table and was reputed to be a pro, but the casino was showing no fear. I also knew casinos that would let a counter play as long as he was losing, which every counter knows is not an unusual event. And then when the bets increased, they would stop his play. LOL. I do not think you will find a system to beat baccarat. The best system is guts, a big bankroll and MM. If you cannot beat the losing series and keep on playing it thru, then you will not win. it is just like BJ. You have to know that eventually you will recover, but you cannot let the losses stop your play. Look at OLD thread and Egalite's MM. He will play thru any losing series and come out. Few have his balls, experience, discipline, and bankroll. love, swami

I should add that at times it does pay to quit, but that does not solve a problem that will always return.

Originally Posted by swami

True about different places. The old story about thinking I know everything, and then new info comes along that I do not have. As you know Vegas is impossible now. I saw a guy in Perth betting huge and winning. He had is own table and was reputed to be a pro, but the casino was showing no fear. I also knew casinos that would let a counter play as long as he was losing, which every counter knows is not an unusual event. And then when the bets increased, they would stop his play. LOL. I do not think you will find a system to beat baccarat. The best system is guts, a big bankroll and MM. If you cannot beat the losing series and keep on playing it thru, then you will not win. it is just like BJ. You have to know that eventually you will recover, but you cannot let the losses stop your play. Look at OLD thread and Egalite's MM. He will play thru any losing series and come out. Few have his balls, experience, discipline, and bankroll. love, swami


I should add that at times it does pay to quit, but that does not solve a problem that will always return.

Perth WA?

I thought they went to csm's throughout the Casino.

Don't worry I know all about bankrolls and ROR I managed a team of 10 BJ players playing with a 400k BR. I had to kep the ROR at .5 % No doubt I will look at Bac in the same manner if I find a system worth testing.

I could go on about BJ and the Casino's but that would be hyjacking the thread.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Tennex

Perth WA?

I thought they went to csm's throughout the Casino.

That's true, it is virtually impossible to find a shoe game in Oz, all CSM's and switch BJ is on offer.
BTW - somebody playing in the same casino chain must have got 4 same colour ACEs on the progressive jackpot picking up a nice £80~90 thousand over the Xmas period.

I have an hour long+ professional recording of a seminar he gave. I am not allowed to give it away for free, as I have signed a confidentiality agreement with the network I am with. But It is only $150 to join our club and there is 1,00's of hours of seminars material about related topics such as wealth creation and asset protection. Cheaper than paying Don $2,500. PM me if you are interested. The Don Tigert Baccarat Wealth System really works for me well. I am only fairly new to it but I make an average of $100 from that alone. Most of the comments above are unfounded. It is an awesome systematic and methodological approach. If you are into gambling for the rush of it then you may not like it but if you are serious about making money and willing to make some effort then it maybe for you.

Peace.

Originally Posted by GaryCarlyle

I have an hour long+ professional recording of a seminar he gave. I am not allowed to give it away for free, as I have signed a confidentiality agreement with the network I am with. But It is only $150 to join our club and there is 1,00's of hours of seminars material about related topics such as wealth creation and asset protection. Cheaper than paying Don $2,500. PM me if you are interested. The Don Tigert Baccarat Wealth System really works for me well. I am only fairly new to it but I make an average of $100 from that alone. Most of the comments above are unfounded. It is an awesome systematic and methodological approach. If you are into gambling for the rush of it then you may not like it but if you are serious about making money and willing to make some effort then it maybe for you.

Peace.

LoL

Ask Me , and it's free
I used to sit and play with him at same table

Originally Posted by ktdfx

LoL

Ask Me , and it's free
I used to sit and play with him at same table

There's absolutely no doubt that from a mathematical standpoint (and nothing else really matters) progressive betting is the only way to win against any casino table game in the long run.

What I find most befuddling about all of the methods I have read about since I joined this forum last fall is that they assume that a stop-loss limit is the best way to guarantee an overall win.

Actually, a stop-loss does just the opposite. Casinos could have invented it.

Recently, a contributor offered a "fiive-step Martingale" which bet 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and after a loss of 16, cried Uncle and ate 31 units at $100 a pop, meaning that 32 1-unit wins were needed for every crash in order to show a profit.

Stats put the chances of a 5-round run of losses at 50%/2/2/2/2 or 3.125% or 1 in 32 and standard deviation consistently manages to beat that expectation, which of course only applies to an even-money game. Apply the house edge percentage to your starting number (50.65% instead of 50%) and you are up bleep creek without a paddle. The house edge will eat your lunch.

Betting in such a way that you win more when you win than you lose when you lose is essential to long-term profit, and a 5-step progression will deliver that only if you fight on after you have hit the cap (16u) by either freezing or reducing your bets until you hit another win, responding to that mid-recovery trigger by betting all (or at least half) of your accumulated losses for the series, plus 1 or more units. Just be aware that if you change the LTD+ rule to require a third consecutive win, you are reducing your turnaround chances by half.

My Target method scores by repeating the mid-recovery LTD+ bet if it fails the first time, and also by applying at least a two-step progression (1, 2 for the benefit of my predictable critics) and increasing the number of steps as the BR grows. And grow it will if you stick with the rules and don't get a) greedy b) drunk c) stupid.

The critics I just mentioned routinely accuse me of fudging and fiddling and changing the rules, and because they never do research and never provide corroboration for their ill-mannered and baseless rebuttals, they are unaware that since I first published the earliest version of Target in 1997, I have been advising players to modify the strategy by starting low and slow and adapting the rules to match their resources and their style of play. This is all a matter of long-standing public record, but of course people whose job it is to protect the casinos' interests will always ignore anything that proves them wrong.

The bottom line never changes: It takes big money to make big money. Anyone who claims to have consistently beaten the house edge without progressive betting and with any form of low-level stop-loss is either a bald-faced liar or an extremely lucky miracle worker. Likewise, anyone who says baccarat can be beaten by hopping from B to P and back using "intuition" is either trying to sell something to gullible fools, or is working for the casinos.

Keep winning!

Seth T.

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