Thread: Not the Baccarat Holy Grail But You Can Make 20-30 Units Per Shoe

My baccarat method can make 20-30 uniys per shoe.A30 unit buy -in willsuffice.Can ude 10 dollar or 100 dollar units.This maethod will not lose a shoe of baccarat.Would like to play my system in Atlantic City with someone that is an avid Baccarat player.THanks for listening. STAN

Hi Stan,
I am a retired doctor who has played bac for the last 20 years part time. Your offer sounds interesting. I would be interested in getting together.
Dr. Tom

bacdoctor.....do you know "Mr. A" in vegas?

Hello, and I would like to learn how to do this method, please let me know if you would include me.

STANHAP and bacdoctor are paid members of Beat the Casino Forums. Wonder why they've come all this way to have that conversation? And only 2 hours apart? And only one day after "My Open Challenge to Ellis"? (If i'm wrong... i didn't mean to imply anything other than it looks very fishy.)

Is that how many units a shoe Ellis is claiming he can win now? Were that true, they'd own the casinos instead of "meeting up" (also) there.

In fact, on other sites as http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/..._Message_Board and http://www.gamblingchitchat.com/las-...hit-vegas.html Suzanne (Smith) of the BTC organization goes by the made-up username iwinbaccarat to ask why everyone at BTC is winning. (I know because she replied to an email of mine to her as iwinbaccarat.)

Originally Posted by STANHAP

My baccarat method can make 20-30 uniys per shoe.A30 unit buy -in willsuffice.Can ude 10 dollar or 100 dollar units.This maethod will not lose a shoe of baccarat.Would like to play my system in Atlantic City with someone that is an avid Baccarat player.THanks for listening. STAN

Hello,
Yes, I am a private forum member of BTC. If I were trying to disguise that would I uee the SAME user name both places? I joined several weeks ago, AFTER posting on BFs. in response to Stan's post. As a 30+ player and student of all games (including the ponies), I am always open to learning more - from any source available. Ellis does have some good information. My only criticism is that there is no real structure in the private forum to shorten the learning curve. There is almost too much information and different approaches to choose from. Since I oftern play black, I figure one good idea will pay for the membership. I can certainly understand why some might consider that a lot to pay just for the priviledge of swapping ideas with Ellis and other players. I enjoy reading articles written by players on all the forums -including this one.
Bacdoctor

bacdoctor,

Thank you for your considered response.

Everything you wrote here is true, or rings true to me from my own experiences with BTC... well sort of. You did pay after posting here to StanHap, but you certainly were a member over there long before that. Therefore i'm pretty sure you knew what StanHap was about, ie, Ellis, right? Anyway...

My personal concern with StanHap's post after seeing fresh replies, and how many hits a post like that will eventually receive in general, is that such are very unrealistic results overall for baccarat, and CERTAINLY NEVER last when do appear. Such seems to be the basis for the private BTC forum. Many post a winning system for over the course of say a month, others jump on it... then soon later all is forgot. Kiddo SUPPOSEDLY did it a while back (with $500(?) chip bets to $140,000(?)), but never got back on how the other 66 shoes out of his 100-shoe test went. Now Ellis has another star player, i didn't note the username... wonder how long that one will last. (Well, i'm not really wondering because i KNOW not long.))

Secondly, the fact is Ellis & company do not long entertain similar tactics; nor even fact, itself.

That that BTC structure is your 'only criticism' would then seem a bit far-fetched. Furthermore, your rationalization to 'pay for the membership' overlooks the most important goal... to make a million or two over one's professional gambling career. That's the utility test of 'one good idea' (, though seriously it takes more than a few good ideas.) And it seems the 'learning curve' over there has been going on "forever"... because it does take a long time to learn nothing when just can't "shake" the Ellis-speak. (The very-low registered members-count compared to the much bigger and newer forums really suggests most first-timers there "shake" the non-sense and lies right away.) I too "enjoy" reading it but i certainly wouldn't call conversing with Ellis a 'privilege'.

Lastly, this is my reply to someone over at gamblersglen.com asking "Who does Ellis think he is claiming to have the only profiting professional bj players in the world."

You're right, by using the biggest lies Ellis is able to later virtually insure complete control over "his" group. Like all scammers, he just puts "it" out there waiting for 1 in a 100 to respond; unlike most other scammers though, "it's" black-and-white lie after lie aimed at 1 in 100 of those responders suffering a 'break from reality'. (Who in their right mind pays $500 for anything as unlikey?)

That is one of the most difficult and chronic 'cult' conditions to overcome. Not only are those paid members "made" to believe in "it", they still have the 'break from reality'. And that's from the rest of us.

Long as Ellis answers only "his" own questions, with sidekicks aegis, Keith and Suzanne, et al, not much can be done to stop him. Except as i and others here and there have tried to warn off some of the would-be victims.

And you're right, Ellis is something a bit beyond 'salesmanship'... a true pedator.

http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/..._Message_Board

Ellis, if you're listening, no one is going to delete and ban you here. Come give your side, (but skip the sales spiel.) Maybe the good doctor(?) will be kind enough to drop him a line for us? Answer up to my challenge My Open Challenge to Ellis at Beat the Casino Forums

I want to try your system..