Thread: Richard Marcus Releases Baccarat Card Counting System: Any Opinions?

Any of you guys heard of Richard Marcus? I read that he's coming out with a baccarat card counting system... here are the details straight from him:

Some months back I wrote about the ongoing development of what promised to be an effective card counting system for the casino game of baccarat. The method was developed by a group of very successful blackjack card counters who are well-known to most casino surveillance departments across the world, and who have been banned from play in most major casinos. The leader of this group had contacted me to discuss the possibility of my marketing what he called “the first REAL card counting system that could beat the game of baccarat.” He claimed his system gave the player a 1.5% advantage against the casino when played with perfect accuracy.

My first take on this was that I was impressed but not entirely convinced that there could exist any card counting method that would work at baccarat, as people have in the past attempted to find mathematical theorems to beat the game. As I have absolutely no personal knowledge in advanced mathematics or anything else related to developing card counting systems, I then asked some very skilled mathematicians and computer programmers to run a detailed analysis of this promising new baccarat card counting method. They agreed to do so and spent several months investigating the merits of this system, and I had almost forgotten about it. But last week I received a shock! They got back to me with this news: The new baccarat card counting system actually works! Although it did not prove out to give the player a 1.5% advantage against the casino, it did give the player a solid 1% advantage over the course of millions of simulated hands, which is basically the same edge the casino has against non-counting baccarat players. Now my skepticism is gone and I have entered into negotiations to market this baccarat card counting system in the form of a DVD under my own name. Hopefully we will reach an agreement and soon see this baccarat card counting DVD on sale on this website! The price will be $49.95. If you want to be notified when this DVD becomes available, send me an e-mail and I will alert you as soon as it is on sale.

Any experiences with this guy? Are his baccarat systems worth it?

Those "stories" always start out with a room-full of card-counting "experts", "mathematicians" and "programmers"; then forgetting something (?); then "shock"; and then, well, a one percent edge over a million games (, which isn't the same as OVER THE HOUSE ON EACH AND EVERY GAME.)

Waiting 1/2 a shoe to get a 'standard' (best possible already widely published) count, which then warrants no action 99/100 of the shoes, renders that approach, itself, absolutely beyond useless as a way in itself to beat the game. Too bad that room of experts didn't apply their new-found abilities against actual casinos. Then we'd have ourselves another (largely fictional) 21 movie. (Every one thinks that movie was about him/herself.) Baccarat books, etc, have been around half a century... but casinos still host it as is, right, hence none of that worked. (And the only reason blackjack changed was to stop most counters from breaking even. Card-counting correctly in a fast-paced game like bj is 10X harder than refined book after book let on.)

There's a big difference between "slick" and 'scientific'. The latter would not be reported that way, like a movie-script. Youze would be better off betting the $50 and letting it ride until a million... at least one of youze would make it.

hello can you please explain this further???

Dear Miech

Thanks for the opportunity to further comment.

Suppose that system worked. Then tomorrow each casino would pull the game, itself. You just bought a "key" to an empty box (, and some piece-of-garbage who doesn't care about a customer's future just sold it to you.)

Casinos just BAN ANYONE who consistently wins, they DON'T CARE why. VERY SHORTLY the game would be modified, as was blackjack. (A common myth is that casinos do a "bulk" business, that they don't care about the "odd counter". NO, they just show you "the front door" instead of the old way they used to handle it.

Realize there is very little money to be made publishing such niche material compared to the serious money to be made by actually beating the system one's self (or as a team).

Then why publicize it? (To make a quick buck off any one who bites.)




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UPDATE: Last month, that system was released under the name "The natural nines method". Without ANY of the previous claims. I later went to paste those "release notes" here, but their site address seems to have disappeared. Does anyone know if the DVD for $69.99 is still being offered???

THe website is now online offering other stuffs for blackjack also.

You would think the guy (Richard Marcus) because of his "expertise" would be a consultant for the casinos somewhere instead of selling systems

Card counting in blackjack was originally developed for single deck games. No counting method works for multi deck games. I believe the same would apply for baccarat.

Originally Posted by anotherusernametaken

You would think the guy (Richard Marcus) because of his "expertise" would be a consultant for the casinos somewhere instead of selling systems

Actually this cat DOES for a fee show casinos how to stop cheats and ap wiseguys. Imagine that, hey hey.

If you try and google this you find a bunch of sites with scraped content. I don't think Marcus has any actual involvement with such a system, its just someone using his name.

I found nothing on his site.

Even if the method really give 1% advantage, you still need to sit and play every hand in every shoe for long hours in order to benefit from that 1%, and that is provided you did not lose all your bankroll first.