Hello Ellis I hope you don't mind a PM. If you don't accept PMs, no problem, I understand. First, if you (and your spouse are ever in Las Vegas, let me know, diner at the steakhouse of your choosing is on me. I feel that I at least owe you that. Seems your little TB4L/OTB4l is finding a nice place within my card counting based system. I am sure that we crossed paths at least sitting at the Claridge BJ tables when it was a four deck game. On a serious note, I do seem to be getting a mixture of people responding to me via PM, and I am not always sure if these folks are on the level. There are the Garnaby types, who you seem to know, but are these people dangerous in any way?